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View Poll Results: Do you support giving Ukraine F-16s
Yes 190 39.34%
No 247 51.14%
Unsure 46 9.52%
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Old 11-29-2022, 07:46 AM
 
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True enough... and Russia is losing. NATO's technological superiority has been demonstrated. Luckily, the Biden Administration has been firm about Ukraine not attacking Russia itself. They could really bring the war home to the Russians if they started attacking Belgorod, Kursk... Moscow is only 500 miles away. It would be a mistake, but in a normal war that's what you would do.
I agree 100%

Ukraine attacking Russia itself would be very dumb.
Just keep concentrating on pushing Russian forces out of Ukraine....
which they have been doing with some success for months now.

Russian forces are losing, Ukraine will ultimately win.
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Old 11-29-2022, 07:53 AM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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Yet Zelensky will still demand billions for "defense" and Dems will demand American taxpayers spend billions to rebuild Ukraine.

Thank you for pointing out how pointless and wasteful US/Western aid has become for a country with ZERO risk of being entirely invaded.
LOL! And because there is no risk of being "entirely invaded" the world should allow them to be "partially invaded" because the invaders have "6,000 nukes".



Nah... Not how it works and is not what's going on. My point stands; Ukraine will not become "an uninhabitable wasteland". Russia will be economically destroyed.
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Old 11-29-2022, 08:05 AM
 
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They forget that The Ukraine is the most corrupt Country in all of Europe...for a while now.
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Great Russian talking point. The boys from Olgino are proud of you.

However repeating this over and over again does not make it true.

Of course Ukraine has been plagued by corruption since it opened up it's economy, just like Russia. The same sorts of characters robbed both countries blind becoming rich manipulators. We already know they have had corrupt public officials and justices but Ukraine has been working on it. The primary motivation coming from outside Ukraine has been insistence by the European Union.

If Ukraine wants into the Union badly enough, they need to clean up their act. It's a work in progress but that is their goal. Since Yanukovych ran off to his handlers in Russia the country has had two fair elections for the top office and a peaceful transfer of power. They have made tremendous progress.

Russia definitely is the most corrupt country in Europe, by far. Just look at their thoroughly corrupt military, it is on the verge of collapse through incompetence. The Russian claims here about Ukraine (which you happily repeat over and over again) are projection.

If corruption discredits Ukraine (as you seem to think), it does the very same for Russia all the more.
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Old 11-29-2022, 08:12 AM
 
Location: A coal patch in Pennsyltucky
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The last time Russia invaded the Ukraine, and took Crimea...we did next to nothing. We sent them blankets and MRE rations.
But this time is different....because, since then, the Ukraine (the most corrupt Country in Europe) has fed the Bidens many, many millions (through phony "Energy Company Board Positions") for crazy amounts of "Foreign Aid".
But by saying, "We need to help them!"...most people (who are easily fleeced suckers) actually believe it's reasonable that we send them more money than one and a half times Russia's annual Defense Budget.
Yet...even with that amount of funding...they can't oust the Russians?
Com'on Maaaaan! How can so many people be so cluelessly taken-in and bilked? And they argue for more of the same!
Ukraine may be the most corrupt country in Europe (how do you even judge who is most corrupt), but it doesn't matter. Russia invaded Ukraine with no justification. Russia is destroying Ukraine with no justification. How many bombs and missiles have landed in Russia?

I don't think you have been taken-in and bilked, I think you are a Russian bot.
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Old 11-29-2022, 09:00 AM
 
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In fact...Russia destroyed all of Ukraines' military arsenal and capacity. Nothing they are bringing to bear against Russia was supplied by them.
Your "hundreds of hours of research" missed the Stugna-P ATGM that has sent so many T-72 turrets ballistic? Yeah, no offense, but you appear rather uninformed. Ukraine's armaments industry makes stuff the Russians can't match. Rememebr the Moskva? Built in Ukraine. Russia can't make ship's turbines any more.
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I think people forget who/what Russia is: They were the first in outer space...
That was the Soviet Union. Do you know where the Soyuz guidance and control system was made? Kharkov. (Kharkov has
been in the press a bit lately.)

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the Space Station belongs to the Russians...
Silly.

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Putin will not "lose"...he will "win", one way or another.
No matter what happens, Putin - and you - will try to declare it a "win". And the world will see it for what it is.

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Old 11-29-2022, 09:00 AM
 
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I suspect that NATO nations know where Russia's nuclear weapons are, and have plans, and weapons, in place to take them out, should the need arise.

Now this information is highly classified, of course, and while I don't have access to it, I'd bet good money that both Xi and Putin do.

Putin's thinly veiled hints about using nukes was to scare nations away from supporting Ukraine.

It didn't work.
Yeah, I hear General Ripper will be in charge of that
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Old 11-29-2022, 09:09 AM
 
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Great Russian talking point. The boys from Olgino are proud of you.

However repeating this over and over again does not make it true.

Of course Ukraine has been plagued by corruption since it opened up it's economy, just like Russia. The same sorts of characters robbed both countries blind becoming rich manipulators. We already know they have had corrupt public officials and justices but Ukraine has been working on it. The primary motivation coming from outside Ukraine has been insistence by the European Union.

If Ukraine wants into the Union badly enough, they need to clean up their act. It's a work in progress but that is their goal. Since Yanukovych ran off to his handlers in Russia the country has had two fair elections for the top office and a peaceful transfer of power. They have made tremendous progress.

Russia definitely is the most corrupt country in Europe, by far. Just look at their thoroughly corrupt military, it is on the verge of collapse through incompetence. The Russian claims here about Ukraine (which you happily repeat over and over again) are projection.

If corruption discredits Ukraine (as you seem to think), it does the very same for Russia all the more.


Actually, international observers have described Ukraine's 2010 presidential election as free and fair. Perhaps an inconvenient fact but a fact nevertheless.

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Old 11-29-2022, 09:17 AM
 
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I suspect that NATO nations know where Russia's nuclear weapons are, and have plans, and weapons, in place to take them out, should the need arise.

Now this information is highly classified, of course, and while I don't have access to it, I'd bet good money that both Xi and Putin do.

Putin's thinly veiled hints about using nukes was to scare nations away from supporting Ukraine.

It didn't work.
You do realize they have an estimated 6,000 of them, some are on subs, mobile launchers ect?
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Old 11-29-2022, 09:32 AM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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You do realize they have an estimated 6,000 of them, some are on subs, mobile launchers ect?
So the world should let them do whatever they want?....
Russia/Soviet Union has not tested a nuke since 1987. Nukes have a shelf life of 25 years. Nothing else in Russia has been maintained, but By Golly them there nukes have!
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Old 11-29-2022, 09:55 AM
 
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So the world should let them do whatever they want?....
Russia/Soviet Union has not tested a nuke since 1987. Nukes have a shelf life of 25 years. Nothing else in Russia has been maintained, but By Golly them there nukes have!
For the 100th time:

Soviet Union’s last nuclear test - 1990
United Kingdom’s - 1991
United States’ - 1992

What's your point?
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