Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
If there is a settlement that Russia gets to keep any of Ukraine's territory, then they win. It's that simple. It will mean they will be rewarded with a piece of the Ukraine. How can that be interpreted as anything other than a victory?
They had control of Crimea before the war. So after destroying the better part of their armed forces and showing the world that they're no longer a regional power, they gained... Nothing? Going to be a sad parade.
The Russian forces began to withdraw some of their units, as well as to evacuate collaborators from the front-line settlements of the Zaporizhzia region.
If there is a settlement that Russia gets to keep any of Ukraine's territory, then they win. It's that simple. It will mean they will be rewarded with a piece of the Ukraine. How can that be interpreted as anything other than a victory?.........
Russia will declare victory.
Russia will be economically destroyed, and unable to manage their internal affairs, but they will declare victory. So in the end you will be able to say,"There! Now what did I tell you?"
If there is a settlement that Russia gets to keep any of Ukraine's territory, then they win. It's that simple. It will mean they will be rewarded with a piece of the Ukraine. How can that be interpreted as anything other than a victory?
Which particular conspiracy would that be? Russia planning to invade a neighboring country, or are we talking about some other theory? Nazis in power? Terrifying biolabs? No, wait - that was Russia's conspiracy theories, wasn't it?
Domestic US politics. The idea that Russia and then candidate Trump conspired to steal the 2016 election. The left has gone from "The 1980s want their foreign policy back," and "I can be more flexible after the election," to Russia as evil incarnate. Of course, Putin is doing his best to fulfill that image. The right mostly never got over the Cold War. And Putin is fulfilling their preconceptions about Russia. So now both sides dislike and fear Russia and are glad to support Ukraine.
Damn this guy's videos are getting more depressing all the time. I remember when he was adamant that nothing would stop the Ukraine from liberating all their territory from Russia. Now he has clearly given up on that. He has now left the Ukraine to build a life elsewhere, he doesn't say where. Now he is reporting that Russia is about to cut off Bakhmut, and there is nothing the Ukraine can do about it. And he now thinks there will be a negotiated settlement and Russia will keep Crimea. It looks like Russia has won, and the Ukrainians are beginning to realize it.
Is that how Russia defines victory now? Getting to keep Crimea? Bahkmut is militarily insignificant, pales in comparison to Kherson. Russia has made it a political goal because they need a win - any win will do - where they can say they set out to do something and did it. They are paying a huge price for it.
If there is a settlement that Russia gets to keep any of Ukraine's territory, then they win. It's that simple. It will mean they will be rewarded with a piece of the Ukraine. How can that be interpreted as anything other than a victory?
And that is looking like the most likely outcome. Even the Ukrainians can now see the handwriting on the wall.
How is that a victory by any definition? They already had Ukraine. Ukraine was not massing an army in an attempt to retake it. They were never going to try to militarily retake it. If having it is a Russian victory, they could have had that without losing 100,000 soldiers and thousands of tanks and worldwide sanctions.
Domestic US politics. The idea that Russia and then candidate Trump conspired to steal the 2016 election.
Russia meddled as best they could. Used the NRA to funnel money, all that.
Did it rise to the level of "conspiring", let alone "stealing an election"? No. But they've been trying their best to deepen the fractures.
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.
Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.