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View Poll Results: Do you support giving Ukraine F-16s
Yes 190 39.34%
No 247 51.14%
Unsure 46 9.52%
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Old 11-29-2022, 05:30 PM
 
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I know; that was a big mistake. We wouldn't be in the position we're in today if we had taken a firmer stance in 2014. So we're paying the price now. If we don't, we'll be having this same conversation when Russia takes back Latvia and invades Poland.
Can't happen due to article 5.
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Old 11-29-2022, 06:25 PM
 
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Russian terrorists are making small gains around Bakhmut. Ukraine will get new missiles next year. With a longer range than the HIMARS, the new missiles can hit targets 100 miles away.

Michael Clarke is a great war analyst.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vi1nkGo10BA
Kind of long, of course...but if one wants a really detailed analysis of the war, from before the beginning to the middle of October (breaks down all the mistakes that Russia has made thus far)...this is it:

https://youtu.be/DoOZF5hJmpo
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Old 11-29-2022, 06:52 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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ISW Update 11/29

https://www.understandingwar.org/bac...nt-november-29

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Russian forces made marginal gains around Bakhmut on November 29, but Russian forces remain unlikely to have advanced at the tempo that Russian sources claimed. Geolocated footage shows that Russian forces made marginal advances southeast of Bakhmut but ISW remains unable to confirm most other claimed gains around Bakhmut made since November 27. Some Russian milbloggers made unsubstantiated claims that Russian forces broke through the Ukrainian defensive line south of Bakhmut along the T0513 highway to advance towards Chasiv Yar, which would cut one of two remaining main Ukrainian ground lines of communication (GLOCs) to Bakhmut, but such claims are likely part of a continuing Russian information operation and are premature, as ISW has previously assessed. ISW continues to assess that the degraded Russian forces around Bakhmut are unlikely to place Bakhmut under threat of imminent encirclement rapidly.
You know one day Bakhmut could have a slight possibility of falling...and it will be of no military significance.
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Old 11-29-2022, 08:30 PM
 
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Can't happen due to article 5.
At this point, also can't happen because Poland would pretty much eat Russia's armed forces alive.
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Old 11-29-2022, 10:02 PM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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If Russia succeeds in Ukraine it seems to me there next target would be Kazakhstan. Then Turkmenistan, giving them a border with Iran.
But who wants to find out?........ Destroy Russia now, while it can be done.
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Old 11-30-2022, 12:38 AM
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ISW Update 11/29

https://www.understandingwar.org/bac...nt-november-29



You know one day Bakhmut could have a slight possibility of falling...and it will be of no military significance.
Well the Russians got driven back completely from the gains they had several weeks ago. Maybe they are starting to gain back what they lost in the last few weeks. Both sides were saying they were in part of the city, but the maps showed them a couple of days ago completely out.
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Old 11-30-2022, 01:23 AM
 
Location: Oregon Coast
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If Russia succeeds in Ukraine it seems to me there next target would be Kazakhstan. Then Turkmenistan, giving them a border with Iran.
But who wants to find out?........ Destroy Russia now, while it can be done.
Exactly if Russia gets away with this, historians will look back on this as the chance the western world had to defend freedom and blew it. It's now or never.
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Old 11-30-2022, 02:15 AM
 
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President of the European Union says that more than 100,000 Ukrainian military officers have been killed so far.

Does it mean that the number of the killed Ukrainian soldiers is close to 1 million?

https://ec.europa.eu/commission/pres...tement_22_7307
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Old 11-30-2022, 02:37 AM
 
Location: Oregon Coast
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President of the European Union says that more than 100,000 Ukrainian military officers have been killed so far.

Does it mean that the number of the killed Ukrainian soldiers is close to 1 million?

https://ec.europa.eu/commission/pres...tement_22_7307
Clearly a bad translation. Probably about 100,000 total Ukrainian military personnel have been killed. But the Ukraine is not reporting any numbers, so there is no way to know the exact numbers.
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Old 11-30-2022, 07:32 AM
 
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President of the European Union says that more than 100,000 Ukrainian military officers have been killed so far.

Does it mean that the number of the killed Ukrainian soldiers is close to 1 million?

https://ec.europa.eu/commission/pres...tement_22_7307
I do not see that number referenced anywhere at that link?

You can see confirmed Russian officer deaths at this link…

https://topcargo200.com/
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