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View Poll Results: Do you support giving Ukraine F-16s
Yes 201 39.88%
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Old 09-16-2022, 06:52 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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Todays Update

https://www.understandingwar.org/bac...t-september-16

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The revelations of mass graves of civilians and torture chambers in newly liberated Izyum confirm ISW’s previous assessments that the Bucha atrocities were not isolated war crimes but rather a microcosm of Russian atrocities throughout Russian-occupied areas.

Russian President Vladimir Putin appeared to threaten increased attacks on Ukrainian civilian infrastructure if reported Ukrainian attacks on Russian military positions in Russian Federation territory continue.

The Ukrainian Resistance Center warned on September 16 that Russian forces are planning to conduct false flag attacks against civilian population in Russian-occupied Ukraine and urged Ukrainians in occupied areas to avoid public places between September 17 and September 20.
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The discovery of mass graves and torture chambers in liberated Izyum confirm previous ISW assessments that the Bucha atrocities were emblematic of Russian activities in occupied areas rather than an anomaly.

Russian President Vladimir Putin apparently threatened to expand Russia’s attacks on civilian Ukrainian infrastructure if Ukraine continues reported attacks on military facilities in Russia.

The Ukrainian Resistance Center warned that Russian forces may conduct false flag attacks in occupied areas between September 17 and September 20.

Ukrainian forces captured all of Kupyansk City on September 16, continuing offensive operations east of the Oskil River.

Ukrainian forces reportedly shelled targets in Valuyki, Belgorod Oblast, Russia, overnight on September 15-16.

Ukrainian forces struck Russia’s occupation headquarters in Kherson, likely using HIMARS, and are continuing ground maneuvers in three areas of Kherson Oblast as part of the ongoing southern counteroffensive.

Russian administrative officials are rallying around Chechen leader Ramzan Kadyrov’s call for “self-mobilization” at a local level to provide additional forces to the Russian military.

Forced Russian mobilization campaigns are likely depleting male populations in parts of the claimed territory of the Russian proxy Donetsk and Luhansk People’s Republics (DNR and LNR) along the front lines.

Immediate and coordinated Russian information responses suggest that Ukrainian partisans may not be responsible for the September 16 assassination of the Luhansk People’s Republic (LNR) Prosecutor General and his deputy.
Activity in Russian-occupied Areas

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Unidentified assailants detonated an IED in the office of the Russian-appointed LNR Prosecutor General in Luhansk City, Luhansk Oblast, killing LNR Prosecutor General Sergey Gorenko and Deputy Prosecutor General Yekaterina Steglenko on September 16.[71] LNR head Leonid Pasechnik called the attack a “terrorist act” that demonstrated that the “Kyiv regime has gone beyond all limits.”[72] DNR Head Denis Pushilin also denounced it as a Ukrainian terrorist attack.[73] Russia’s Investigative Committee immediately ordered the opening of a criminal investigation into the attacks.[74]

The immediate and coordinated Russian responses to the attack suggests that Ukrainian partisans may not be responsible for the LNR assassinations. Ukrainian Presidential Advisor Mykhailo Podolyak did not attribute the attack to partisans, but instead offered two theories: that the killings were the result of organized crime groups feuding over sharing looted property, or that Russian forces conducted a “purge” of those who witnessed Russian war crimes.[75] Russian forces have already proven themselves capable of large-scale false-flag attacks that threaten their own personnel or infrastructure, as they did with their falsified strike on the Olenivka prison on July 28.[76]

Unidentified assailants also killed the Russian-appointed Zaporizhia Occupation Administration’s deputy head of housing and communal services, Oleg Boyko, and the Berdyansk Occupation Central Election Committee head, Lyudmyla Boyko, on September 16. Russian milbloggers blamed the couple’s death on “terrorists.”[77]

Ukrainian forces separately arrested the head of the “People’s Militia of Balakliya” on September 16 as he attempted to escape from liberated Kupyansk to Russian-occupied Luhansk Oblast. Ukraine’s SBU said that the man ran recruitment for and managed the illegal pro-Russia militia on behalf of Russian occupiers.
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Old 09-16-2022, 07:01 PM
 
Location: State of Transition
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Putin says one thing, but his facial expression and tone says "Yeah...maybe this wasn't such a good idea after all."

https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/...75711174242304
j I hardly recognize him in that video. Has he gained weight lately? And no, I don't see any expression like you indicated. To the contrary, he seems remarkably casual and relaxed except for a brief moment of a furrowed brow.
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Old 09-16-2022, 07:03 PM
 
Location: State of Transition
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The Russians have lost about half of what they had gained as of March 18th. Hopefully the Ukrainians are able to continue their progress in the east.
According to whose map? They took almost the entire south of the country as well as various parts of the east. AFAIK, the south is still in Russia's hands, except for Odessa (thankfully) to the Romanian border, and some small areas reclaimed by Ukraine outside Mykolaev.



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Old 09-16-2022, 07:42 PM
 
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Modi and Xi? Yeah, not a good week to be Putin.
They don't want to be slapped with sanctions, that's all. Meanwhile they are buying as much as they can.
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Old 09-16-2022, 08:02 PM
 
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...ne/ar-AA11U6q5

..it's only numbers but the bottom line is...Russia is getting it's ass kicked..


(dammit man...I missed getting on page 500 by this >< much..lol)
Generally speaking, a believable story should not contradict kindergarten math as one of the prerequisites.
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Old 09-16-2022, 08:07 PM
 
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According to whose map? They took almost the entire south of the country as well as various parts of the east. AFAIK, the south is still in Russia's hands, except for Odessa (thankfully) to the Romanian border, and some small areas reclaimed by Ukraine outside Mykolaev.


"whose"? Perhaps posters' with math problems?
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Old 09-16-2022, 08:52 PM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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When Russians gained, it was "THEY CONTROL 20% OF UKRAINE! THEY ARE GAINING EVERY DAY!"
When Ukrainians push Russians back it is "some small areas reclaimed by Ukraine outside Mykolaev."
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Old 09-16-2022, 10:07 PM
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According to whose map? They took almost the entire south of the country as well as various parts of the east. AFAIK, the south is still in Russia's hands, except for Odessa (thankfully) to the Romanian border, and some small areas reclaimed by Ukraine outside Mykolaev.


https://tsarizm.com/news/eastern-eur...dge-to-crimea/

Russia had vast swaths of Northern Ukraine back on March 18th before they were driven back near Kiev all the way to Kharkiv.

I'm only talking about what they gained in the invasion, not what they stole in 2014.
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Old 09-16-2022, 10:10 PM
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"whose"? Perhaps posters' with math problems?
Actually honest posters, not propagandists.
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Old 09-16-2022, 11:54 PM
 
Location: Lost in Montana *recalculating*...
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I'm calling BS on this spill Ingulets weapon that's destroying Ukrainian troops. This gibberish makes it very hard for us to take you Russian trolls seriously.
I wonder if that was a reference to the flooding caused on the Inhulets River caused by Russian missiles hitting a dam and flooding largely non military targets.

The Cyrillic sound of ‘H’ can take the form of ‘G’ alphabetically in certain dialects.
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