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View Poll Results: Will you be watching the House January 6 Committee hearing?
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Old 06-28-2022, 09:03 PM
 
Location: West Palm Beach, FL
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Gosh. So the liars on the Jan. 6th committe/show trial/farce only presented one side of the story, and it turned out to be a lie. Shocking, not.

Will the people who voted for these clownish Democrats ever tire of getting lied to and played for fools?

 
Old 06-28-2022, 09:04 PM
 
Location: The High Desert
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I saw a few of the clips on the news, even if true, so what if President Trump was pissed, if I GMS, you or any of us were President of the USA or leader of any nation, and we believe there was massive vote fraud against us, I would be Pissed, you would be Pissed and all of us would be Pissed, this is not a crime, there is no smoking gun, from this leftist, democrat, anti Republican, anti Trump, Political Kangaroo Court. They have nothing and you have nothing.
So, we know Trump fabricated the election fraud story, a shameless lie, and you think Trump simply believed his own lies even after being repeatedly confronted by the truth from respectable members of his own administration. The man was told in no uncertain terms repeatedly that he lost the election. He made up a fairy tale and gullible fools believed it and spread it. GOP members of Congress amplified it. The lie became the official GOP position in spite of some in the party that knew otherwise and spoke out. The lie was the motivation for the Trump-inspired violent attack on the Capitol during a constitutionally required joint session of Congress. And you apparently still believe the lie in spite of all evidence and court decisions and sworn testimony to the contrary that he lost the election and there was no fraudulent outcome.

You just think he was pissed because... what, the truth did not surrender to his lie?

We are talking about a crime against the United States and an attempt to overthrow the constitution and the election by force, on his behalf and behest, all based on a lie. He was fully aware that the supporters on January 6 were armed (even Glocks and AR15s were identified by the security detail) and knowing this, he directed that the metal detectors be removed to allow them into the rally. At the rally he instructed them to march on the Capitol and fully intended to go there himself to participate in the attack. His being pissed is his reaction to failing yet again.
 
Old 06-28-2022, 09:05 PM
 
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Why would a top secret service agent go complain about the President and safety issues to a lower level staff? That's not their job. When I was in the military there was the chain of command and the thing call "on the need to know basis" "This is above your rank or pay grade" It's for a reason. Secret Agents don't act this way.


Why would a top secret agent go to a lower level staff employee and tell her this? What was the purpose, to gossip? It's a lie! Secret Service are like Navy Seals, they took an oath and they don't gossip to lower level rank employees. They only report to their superiors.
 
Old 06-28-2022, 09:09 PM
 
Location: West Palm Beach, FL
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So, we know Trump fabricated the election fraud story, a shameless lie, and you think Trump simply believed his own lies even after being repeatedly confronted by the truth from respectable members of his own administration. The man was told in no uncertain terms repeatedly that he lost the election. He made up a fairy tale and gullible fools believed it and spread it. GOP members of Congress amplified it. The lie became the official GOP position in spite of some in the party that knew otherwise and spoke out. The lie was the motivation for the Trump-inspired violent attack on the Capitol during a constitutionally required joint session of Congress. And you apparently still believe the lie in spite of all evidence and court decisions and sworn testimony to the contrary that he lost the election and there was no fraudulent outcome.

You just think he was pissed because... what, the truth did not surrender to his lie?

We are talking about a crime against the United States and an attempt to overthrow the constitution and the election by force, on his behalf and behest, all based on a lie. He was fully aware that the supporters on January 6 were armed (even Glocks and AR15s were identified by the security detail) and knowing this, he directed that the metal detectors be removed to allow them into the rally. At the rally he instructed them to march on the Capitol and fully intended to go there himself to participate in the attack. His being pissed is his reaction to failing yet again.
Lol. No sane person believes your fairy tales. When your party is as awful as the Democrats are, I guess you run on nonsense like this.
 
Old 06-28-2022, 09:13 PM
 
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Please explain why the top commando to protect the President, his main job will go gossip about the President to a low level employee that wasn't there.? That's not how the military or secret service works.


This is b.s. The only people they report to is their superiors not outside of the box especially a low level employee that can tell the media or friends and put the safety of the President at risk.


This is b.s.
 
Old 06-28-2022, 09:15 PM
 
Location: Retired in VT; previously MD & NJ
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and if he testified it wasn't true? As an attorney, what is the next step?


Secret Agents don't report to lower aids in the W.H. or anywhere. The President can screw 20 women in the pool like JFK and the Secret Service don't go running telling it to a lower level aid or anybody. Only their superiors. This is hearsay.
Who said anything about him reporting to her? It was a conversation. Haven't you ever chatted with coworkers?

Anyway, we will have to wait to hear from him, under oath.
 
Old 06-28-2022, 09:18 PM
 
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Who said anything about him reporting to her? It was a conversation. Haven't you ever chatted with coworkers?

Anyway, we will have to wait to hear from him, under oath.
so now the top secret agent that main job is to protect the President above all has a co-worker and they chat about his job in the break room. He tells her all the secrets about the President. Yeah co-workers.! Thanks for the laugh.

Obviously you never serve in the military and never heard the concept of need to know and chain of command. Co-workers chit-chatting. LOL
 
Old 06-28-2022, 09:20 PM
 
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Why would a top secret service agent go complain about the President and safety issues to a lower level staff? That's not their job. When I was in the military there was the chain of command and the thing call "on the need to know basis" "This is above your rank or pay grade" It's for a reason. Secret Agents don't act this way.


Why would a top secret agent go to a lower level staff employee and tell her this? What was the purpose, to gossip? It's a lie! Secret Service are like Navy Seals, they took an oath and they don't gossip to lower level rank employees. They only report to their superiors.
According to the source, they are willing to testify about what happened in the car. Neither Engel nor Ornato appear to be disputing that a conversation took place with Hutchinson either directly or in the vicinity.

They also state there is no dispute as to Trump’s anger at being driven away from the Capitol.

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Three Secret Service agents who accompanied Trump on Jan. 6 disputed that Trump assaulted or grabbed at the leader of his security detail and that he grabbed for the steering wheel of the Suburban sport utility vehicle in which he was traveling to try to steer it to the Capitol, according to one current and one former law enforcement official familiar with their accounts.
The three agents — Engel, Ornato and the agent driving the Suburban that carried the president away from his speech at the Ellipse — are also willing to testify under oath to the committee about their recollection of events on Jan. 6 in the Secret Service vehicle, said the two people, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss a sensitive subject.
The three agents do not dispute Hutchinson’s account that Trump was furious upon learning they were not taking him to the Capitol and exchanged tense words with Engel when the detail leaders told him it would be unsafe and impossible to go the Capitol alongside Trump’s supporters.
From a Washington Post article - can’t post a link as I access from the news app.
 
Old 06-28-2022, 09:23 PM
 
Location: sumter
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Something I was thinking about, in all fairness....

If there was "passenger/driver activity" in The Beast, 1) Wouldn't the Beast be "swerving" on Pennsylvania Avenue; and 2) Aren't there street cameras on Pennsylvania Avenue that would pick up the "swerves?"
This was not the Beast, it was the Suburban SUV.
 
Old 06-28-2022, 09:24 PM
 
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so now the top secret agent that main job is to protect the President above all has a co-worker and they chat about his job in the break room. He tells her all the secrets about the President. Yeah co-workers.! Thanks for the laugh.


Obviously you never serve in the military and never heard the concept of need to know and chain of command. Co-workers chit-chatting. LOL
I don’t think any of this is as mundane as gossip in the break room.

Mind you, had the President declined to hold that Stop The Steal rally, none of this would be happening.

What was the point of that anyway?
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