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View Poll Results: Do women need to take more responsiblity for their sexual health?
Yes 192 75.29%
No 59 23.14%
Not Sure 4 1.57%
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Old 08-22-2022, 08:44 AM
 
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Then why are so many getting abortions and why are so many worked up over Roe vs Wade being returned to the states?
The number of abortions has been decreasing since 1990. The birth rate has been steadily decreasing, the fertility rate has been steadily decreasing. ~1.2% of women of childbearing age (statistically 15-44 years old) had an abortion in 2020. So 98.8% of women of childbearing age did not get pregnant with an unwanted pregnancy.

 
Old 08-22-2022, 09:13 AM
 
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The number of abortions has been decreasing since 1990. The birth rate has been steadily decreasing, the fertility rate has been steadily decreasing. ~1.2% of women of childbearing age (statistically 15-44 years old) had an abortion in 2020. So 98.8% of women of childbearing age did not get pregnant with an unwanted pregnancy.
No, the number of abortions has been increasing since 2017, up 8% as of 2020.

"In 2020, there were 930,160 abortions in the United States, an 8% increase from 862,320 abortions in 2017." - Guttmacher, June 2022

And your statistic is incorrect. A recently published study finds that the US has a higher than average rate of unintended pregnancy for its region (Europe and Northern America) at about 3.4%. Surprisingly, the UK and Sweden have slightly higher rates of unintended pregnancy though all three are near the top. Figure 2, here:

https://gh.bmj.com/content/bmjgh/7/3/e007151.full.pdf

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Old 08-22-2022, 09:20 AM
 
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Look at the statistics from left-wing Brookings Institution:

Women in the highest income category have the highest abortion rate.

Abortion Rates by Income Level, Unintended Pregnancies

Poverty Level: 8.6%
100%-200%: 7.8%
200%-300%: 16.2%
300%-400%: 8.0%
Over 400%: 31.9%

Figure 4, here: https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content..._pregnancy.pdf

More than 90% of poor women who are unintentionally pregnant don't abort. They keep their babies. Only 68.1% of higher-income women do. Abortion is a higher-income woman's privilege. That's easy to understand as the 272 abortion clinics in the US (source: CNN) are FAR less numerous and therefore MUCH harder to access than the federal taxpayer-funded 4,000+ Title X Family Planning Clinics. And while the federal government hands out contraceptives for FREE to anyone who needs them, it does not pay for abortions. So poor women have to somehow come up with transportation (and a babysitter if they have other children) to even get to an abortion clinic, they then have to find a way to pay for it.

So which makes more sense for poor women (and all women, really)? Use FREE (or very low-cost) birth control that's much easier to get in the first place? Or struggle to somehow get to and pay for an abortion? Hence... the poll in the first post this thread.
Ill take the word of those who can do math and interpret data as well as an using actual representation. Pregnancy and birth rates for over 400% poverty (54K) level (2.9, 15.4 respectively) were much lower than those for the 100% (13K) poverty level (9, 72.4). As well was the non use of contraceptives; 400% =7.9 and 100% 15.9. Also sexual activity was higher for 400% (71%) and 69.9 for 100% poverty level.
Oh, and this was a survey of 3,885 unmarried women.


This is from the brookings institute:
Women who seek abortions are more likely to be living below the poverty line, to already have children, and to be experiencing a disruptive life event, like a job loss or breakup of a relationship, which are not ideal circumstances for caring for a child. One famous study showed that women who sought an abortion but were denied one fared worse when compared to a similar group that terminated their pregnancy. Adverse consequences for these women included financial hardships, health complications, and other deleterious effects, such as the need to remain in an abusive relationship or raise a child alone, which are likely to affect their child’s well-being.
 
Old 08-22-2022, 09:35 AM
 
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No, the number of abortions has been increasing since 2017, up 8% as of 2020.

"In 2020, there were 930,160 abortions in the United States, an 8% increase from 862,320 abortions in 2017." - Guttmacher, June 2022
Learn to interpret statistics. There was an uptick in those years. You have to look at the numbers overtime. If the current number does not surpass the highest point there is still a decrease. The highest point was in 1990 the lowest 1973 when R v W was passed. If by the of 2022 the number of abortions surpasses 1, 429,000 then abortions will have increased. But we dont have any statistics for those years yet.
We can all see the numbers.
 
Old 08-22-2022, 09:37 AM
 
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Learn to interpret statistics. There was an uptick in those years. You have to look at the numbers overtime. If the current number does not surpass the highest point there is still a decrease. The highest point was in 1990 the lowest 1973 when R v W was passed. If by the of 2022 the number of abortions surpasses 1, 429,000 then abortions will have increased. But we dont have any statistics for those years yet.
We can all see the numbers.
Just think if so many more folks used birth control there’d be sOOO many fewer abortions…and it’s sOOO easy to be responsible.
 
Old 08-22-2022, 09:40 AM
 
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You have to understand that there are several women (and some men) posting in this thread who absolutely think women are just too stupid, too inept, incapable of acting responsibly in any way shape or form, and as such are just completely unable to manage their own reproductive health so how dare anyone actually expect them to do so. They're extreme misogynists belittling women like they do, but don't realize they're exposing themselves as such.
No one said stupid or all women except you, but yes there are a percent of individuals (not just women) who are not capable of making good choices or being responsible 100% of the time. But the good news is only ~ 1.2% fall into that category when it comes to reproduction, therefore 98.8% are being responsible.
 
Old 08-22-2022, 09:42 AM
 
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Ill take the word of those who can do math and interpret data as well as an using actual representation. Pregnancy and birth rates for over 400% poverty (54K) level (2.9, 15.4 respectively) were much lower than those for the 100% (13K) poverty level (9, 72.4). As well was the non use of contraceptives; 400% =7.9 and 100% 15.9. Also sexual activity was higher for 400% (71%) and 69.9 for 100% poverty level.
Oh, and this was a survey of 3,885 unmarried women.
No wonder your data is way off. It only reflects a subgroup of women with unintended pregnancies.

The REAL facts are that over 90% of no/low-income women (U.S.) with unintended pregnancies keep their babies, while the overall percentage of unintended pregnancies that are aborted is 42% (Guttmacher).
 
Old 08-22-2022, 09:47 AM
 
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Just think if so many more folks used birth control there’d be sOOO many fewer abortions…and it’s sOOO easy to be responsible.
Well, several people in this thread (and surprisingly many of them are women) INSIST that women are incapable of being responsible with their own reproductive health. Misogynists, the lot of them. It reminds me of Biden saying Black people don't know how to log on to the internet. It's the whole bigotry of low expectations thing the left constantly rocks.
 
Old 08-22-2022, 09:47 AM
 
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Just think if so many more folks used birth control there’d be sOOO many fewer abortions…and it’s sOOO easy to be responsible.
Tell that to the men. Millions of men relinquished their responsibility for their sperm to woman. This woman bashing thread ignores for the most part men should be as responsible for their own bc each and every time. Just as women are expected to do. Men using bc should be common place not the exception that it’s always been.
 
Old 08-22-2022, 09:52 AM
 
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No one said stupid or all women except you, but yes there are a percent of individuals (not just women) who are not capable of making good choices or being responsible 100% of the time. But the good news is only ~ 1.2% fall into that category when it comes to reproduction, therefore 98.8% are being responsible.
Again, your statistic is WRONG (I gave details and a link explaining how), and higher-income women have the highest abortion rate for unintended pregnancies. You'd have to be daft to think that higher-income women are not capable of making good choices or being responsible 100% of the time. They're just being careless and don't mind killing a human life solely for the sake of their own convenience.
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