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Old 07-10-2008, 07:14 AM
 
Location: Floribama
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well then, I suppose the documentary lied about making their employees in other countries work 14 hour days 7 days a week, but are told to lie to the inspectors and if that is not abuse, plus adding insult to injury, to fire them, or beat them, if they tell the truth....I guess no matter what you tell people here in American...if we as a community are benefiting on something like that, we don't want to hear the gory details....we look for reasons why it couldn't be true....but what if it is? What if it is really true?
Documentaries lie all the time, because they want viewers. Just look at Michael Moore.
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Old 07-10-2008, 07:20 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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I think the company should be broken up into financially separate divisions and all the products they import (all imports for that mater) subject to a tariff that negates any cost advantage derived from wage and environmental costs. I also think that the federal and local governments should support the unionization of these stores. In addition we should, through a steeply progressive income tax, recover the money that was stolen from the workers, domestic and foreign, and use it for public services such as education and health care.
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Old 07-10-2008, 07:21 AM
 
Location: Orlando, FL
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I haven't been in a Walmart for 2 years. I would get pissed seeing 34 registers and never more than 2 of them open while I stand in line for 30 minutes.
That makes me mad too, especially the ones that have the two registers in the same isle so you just have a jumple of people standing there. I used to be an avid Super Wal-mart shopper cause I loved being able to get my oil changed, my son's haircut, my nails done and deposit a check and then grab a gallon of milk. But Wal-mart's prices aren't competitive anymore.

I always shopped there because I just knew the prices were lower but my car broke down for about two weeks and I had to go to stores within walking distance (Publix, Winn Dixie and Target) and I was shocked at the sales they had. I can't remember the last time I saw a sale at Wal-mart on food.

I've started going to Publix for most of my fruit (they have the best quality) and they have awesome buy one get one stuff all the time. I get most of my meat from Winn Dixie cause they usually have good sales. And then Super Target just has lower prices than Wal-mart in general.
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Old 07-10-2008, 07:31 AM
 
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Ok, we've seen Economics 101... Now how about we go a little deeper:


There is a VAST difference in where your money goes when shopping local versus shopping a chain... any chain (or on the internet).

Sources here:
SF Retail Diversity Study (http://www.civiceconomics.com/SF/ - broken link)

Home

http://www.newrules.org/retail/midcoaststudy.pdf

http://www.bookweb.org/files/open/pdf/lamar.pdf

Deep Economy: The Wealth of Communities and the Durable Future, by Bill McKibben

This one's a bit shorter:
http://www.amiba.net/pdf/benefits_doing_biz_locally.pdf (broken link)

and a list of books on the subject:
Recommended Readings - American Independent Business Alliance AMIBA (http://amiba.net/recommended.html - broken link)

and a story:
Cole Hardware, San Francisco, California — BALLE (http://www.livingeconomies.org/entrepreneurs/independant-retail - broken link)


I keep asking this and no one ever answers... intelligibly anyway. The question(s) is (are): Why is it usually left-leaning folks that show more concern for their downtown communities? Whenever such things are brought up to a right-leaning person they tend to act offended at the idea that their buying choices affect more than their own wallet, that each purchase represents a moral choice. What exactly does the Conserv(e) part of Conservatism mean?

Oh, and check this out...

A new problem in need of new solutions:
http://mitpress.mit.edu/catalog/item...pe=2&tid=11533
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Old 07-10-2008, 07:35 AM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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I think the company should be broken up into financially separate divisions and all the products they import (all imports for that mater) subject to a tariff that negates any cost advantage derived from wage and environmental costs. I also think that the federal and local governments should support the unionization of these stores. In addition we should, through a steeply progressive income tax, recover the money that was stolen from the workers, domestic and foreign, and use it for public services such as education and health care.
Your a socialist then Greg?

Because what you have suggested is pure socialism bordering on communism
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Old 07-10-2008, 07:38 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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Sounds like a classic Standard Oil type monopoly. The business tactic is to set up a store in a new market area and undercut all the existing business with at cost or below cost pricing until they close. Then the company can raise prices and use the profit to expand into more markets. Wal-mart, with the addition of being able to control the prices it pays for products because of its huge size, has used this tactic to destroy much of small town business. Now it is running into competition from other large retailers that have tried the same tactic but are supporting their competition with Wal-mart with profits from areas they dominate.
The losers in this game are the manufactures, including both owners, financiers and employees that have to compete with other, usually offshore, businesses that do not have to pay fair labor prices or have any environmental constraints. The smaller stores that used to supply small town America with good and services have been nearly put out of existence along with their middle class owners and workers. Wal-mart has only been good for Wal-mart, not for the rest of us.
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Old 07-10-2008, 07:42 AM
 
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I don't like WM or shop there because 99% of what they sell is cheaply made, uneccessary-to-own cr&p. How many tacky palm tree plastic placemats do you really need? It's garbage. I don't know about the groceries, I understand they started selling organics, but they've discontinued that. I think that people would be much better off (economically and aesthetically) if they stayed OUT of WM. As for employees, if they treated me like cr&p, I wouldn't work there. They're not working for the WM slave labor camps in China, they CAN quit.
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Old 07-10-2008, 07:42 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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Greatday -
If you haven't figured out that I am a proponent of individual liberty and responsibility within a socialist economic system, then you have not been paying much attention. I'm puzzled by this.
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Old 07-10-2008, 07:54 AM
 
Location: Kentucky Bluegrass
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Documentaries lie all the time, because they want viewers. Just look at Michael Moore.
well, I agree that they might be over fabricated to prove their points, but there is truth in them as well, guess it's up to us to be more open minded and pick what is realistic and what is not.
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Old 07-10-2008, 07:55 AM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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Greatday -
If you haven't figured out that I am a proponent of individual liberty and responsibility within a socialist economic system, then you have not been paying much attention. I'm puzzled by this.
What you proposed though is pure socialism and bordering on communism - and, I'm puzzled you don't recognize it
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