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Some would do this if they could get away with it, but it's discrimination to try to take our marriage and what it stands for and turn it into something different.
But even more would teach classes based on religion and The Bible, if they could get away with it. It's the religious radicals who are a bigger threat to our civil liberties than any gay groups.
Wrong...the majority are a Christian nation, so go ahead and choose to not believe in the Bible and it's marriage tradition if you wish, but then likewise don't believe in marriage for homosexuals either.
Yeah, but the whole point of this country is that Religion cannot be established in our laws.
The majority of the people may be Christian, but there are 10s of millions who are NOT Christians and forcing them to adhere to your 2000 year old superstitions based on a work of fiction is wrong.
This is NOT about Christian marriages, it's about CIVIL marriages. If your backwards church wants to discriminate against gay people, it's your freedon as an American to deny them within your own religion. But if two women want to marry each other, why should your bigoted views stop them?
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion" That's teh very first amendment, seems as though the founding fathers though it was important. Considering that Civil marriages are NOT Religious ones, forcing a religious view (which this gay marriage thing is all about, either religion or homophobia, and usually BOTH) on people is unconstitutional.
Go back to 1671 or just stop forcing your views already!
It's so true. All one has to do is look at a few of the comments here and on Craigslist to see that the most fervent of the anti-same-sex-marriage crowd is basing most of their arguments on religion, outdated beliefs about sexual orientation, and just plain ol' ignorance and hatred of those who are different. It's pathetic.
They're also clearly less literate, when taken as a whole.
I agree...the internet tends to bring the hate-mongers out of the woodwork. These folks probably mutter under their breath all day when out in public and need to vent their spleen and spew hatrad as soon as they get onto some anonymous discussion board.
These peoples' justification is that homosexuality is wrong because the bible says it wrong. Good thing they have the bible to hide behind...otherwise we would all the more clearly see them as the insecure, hateful, close-minded wastes of flesh they really are.
yes, a court; and California isn't in canada. Who decides these things are determined by the Constitution...there is a procedure for this. And no, civil rights are not an "opinion"....all men have certain inalienable rights in these parts...
thank you!! what I was waiting for someone to say so i couldnt of been accused of implying something. you say that civil rightas are not an opinion? even though every single charter ever written was based on theopinion of some men.
but inalienable??? yet again I use the sihk example. even though there were some crimes involving sihk knives in that area, they still decided he could bring his knife to class!!! anyone who agree with this is silly because they are allowing and endagering the lives of the children (as well as invading a right) just for his religious rights...
there are cases in some prvinces where the knives are banned from court and planes... so.. i guess rights can be alienated, and with good reason?
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Originally Posted by broadbill
Keep in mind that the bible has NO bearing on the consititution, the supeme court or government in general. To say that this is a Christian nation just because there are alot of people here that claim to be of this faith is false. The government was designed to be secular for JUST this reason: so one religious faction didn't bring down the entire shooting-match with their "majority" and begin pushing their beliefs onto everyone...sound familiar?????
really?? the United states government was mean to be secular? is that why the word god is mentioned in the constitution...
and a good democratic government should represent the people. so if more then 50% vote no or yes, that sides wins. but like in you electioN!!!
imagine Mccain won because he was representing the minoirty? or if mccain followers protested Obamas victory and tried to overturn it much like you are doing???
The US was actually build on conservative chrsitians (conservative as in they were for the stricter interpretation for the bible and were largely fleeing persecution)
So anyone tells me The US government was meant to be secular jsut makes me laugh..
jsut look!! In 1956 "In God we trust" became the US's National Motto... they arent religious at all. your right. I mean jsut because US president theodore Rosevelt protested it as sacreligous to mention the name "god" on money, doesnt mean at all the US ahs a long history of an unsecular government..
The people passed it, get over it! You can't marry, it's a good thing it passed. Marriage is only supposed to be between a man and a woman, it even says so in the Bible! Now that this has passed, kids won't be forced to learn about homosexual relationships, which is something little kids don't need to know about and most people are still trying to keep marriage in the traditional way, which is goo.
It's interesting that it's the anti-gay crowd who starts most of the gay-themed threads here, and then they complain that there are too many gay-themed threads here!
The OP asked, "Why do the 'gays' keep going on about Prop 8?" You're the one who started this thread, buddy!
By the way, whenever you see someone use the word "gay" in quotes, there's probably at least a little bit of gay-hatred in there. Although the word "gay" has been known to mean "homosexual" for decades, they anti-gay crowd still can't accept it. It bothers them very much, for some reason.
I agree...the internet tends to bring the hate-mongers out of the woodwork. These folks probably mutter under their breath all day when out in public and need to vent their spleen and spew hatrad as soon as they get onto some anonymous discussion board.
These peoples' justification is that homosexuality is wrong because the bible says it wrong. Good thing they have the bible to hide behind...otherwise we would all the more clearly see them as the insecure, hateful, close-minded wastes of flesh they really are.
And they've used The Bible repeatedly over the decades and centuries to justify whatever they believe in. They can't think rationally or independently, I guess.
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really?? the United states government was mean to be secular? is that why the word god is mentioned in the constitution...
Yeah, right along with slaves being 3/5ths of a person (I think).
If you want to be homophobic and deny gays their right to marry, fine. But if you want to do it and not being pointed and laughed at (especially with your rather creative spelling and grammar), then I suggest you pick a reason that doesn't have to do with your dear and fluffy Lord.
If this is all about Christians and Christian marriages, how come atheists can get married?
Because Christian groups haven't gone in and made an amendment preventing people who are atheist from getting civil marriages. But, an atheist would not have a church recognized marriage, they can only have a civil one.
Some religious groups do have gay marriages, but there are no atheist weddings at Catholic churches!
The people passed it, get over it! You can't marry, it's a good thing it passed. Marriage is only supposed to be between a man and a woman, it even says so in the Bible!
You're not supposed to get divorced and remarried, it says so in the Bible!
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