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Old 04-17-2009, 06:49 PM
 
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I think this amply illustrates the utter idiocy of this argument.

When the popular vote is charted based upon population this is what the map, economically, socially, culturally, and politically looks like:




Good luck gerrymanding your new nation(s).
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Old 04-17-2009, 06:49 PM
 
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No, secession can (and should) be entirely peaceful. Only violent if the feds become violent...
After all, this IS the essence of a voluntary union, isn't it? But the left does not understand..............
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Old 04-17-2009, 06:51 PM
 
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When the popular vote is charted based upon population this is what the map, economically, socially, culturally, and politically looks like:
Total distortion on your part. All this indicates is "political" preferences for two candidates in a single election. Your map is a snapshot political one that is basically meaningless. The best you do is acknowledge that rural areas tend to "vote" differently from urban areas. Big surprise.

If you did a similar "political" vote map of Czechoslovakia before they voluntarily and peaceably split into the Czech Republic and Slovakia, you would see a similar pattern. That pattern was likewise meaningless to the eventual successful voluntary split.
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Old 04-17-2009, 06:56 PM
 
Location: 93,020,000 miles from the sun
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Place a reservation in my name for Redneckistan. Sounds like paradise to me. And probably contains about 65-70% of the military bases. Just come and try to take our guns from us then.
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Old 04-17-2009, 06:57 PM
 
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Total distortion on your part. All this indicates is "political" preferences for two candidates in a single election. Your map is a snapshot political one that is basically meaningless. The best you do is acknowledge that rural areas tend to "vote" differently from urban areas. Big surprise.

If you did a similar "political" vote map of Czechoslovakia before they voluntarily and peaceably split into the Czech Republic and Slovakia, you would see a similar pattern. That pattern was likewise meaningless to the eventual successful voluntary split.
Seems that pic went entirely over your head. Notice how distorted sizes were? That's because population concentrations were factored into the larger equation. Were this country not representational and pure democracy, an even divy up done head for head, extreme right leaning folks wouldn't have near the influence they've enjoyed.
See, Muss?
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Old 04-17-2009, 06:59 PM
 
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I've never said that... and for your information.. Idaho essentially banned and ran the white supremists out of the state... They only were here because there are places that are remote for them to hide from the law... its a simple as that..
I don't have any bone to pick with texas.. I just think claiming to want to separate from the union is bold and a slap in the face to the rest of us....
It's about respect for the union... not about stereotypes...I certainly never have implied or said that everyone in texas agrees with what the govenor is saying either.. so don't put words in my mouth and be a dick about it...
Well here's an update then: Only 18% of those polled in Texas are pro-secession, and I'd be willing to bet that out of that 18% that an even much smaller percent are actually serious about it.

Go back and read what you initially wrote (here's a refresher: "Only a place like texas would think so highly of itself... so I say... have at it.... bye bye") if you want to throw 4-letter words at me.... HYPOCRITE.

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Old 04-17-2009, 06:59 PM
 
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Thanks for the compliment from the "vast pit".
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Old 04-17-2009, 07:01 PM
 
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I'm pro-Perry but not pro-Bush. You can't lump Perry and Bush into the same category.
Why not? THEY did. Bush appointed Perry.
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Old 04-17-2009, 07:02 PM
 
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Thanks for the compliment from the "vast pit".
You're quite welcome.
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Old 04-17-2009, 07:13 PM
 
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Seems that pic went entirely over your head. Notice how distorted sizes were? That's because population concentrations were factored into the larger equation. Were this country not representational and pure democracy, an even divy up done head for head, extreme right leaning folks wouldn't have near the influence they've enjoyed.
See, Muss?
Duh, thanks for an entirely obvious, condescending, unnecessary explanation. The map is distorted by population. So what? It seems you entirely missed my point. It is still a "snapshot" "political" map not necessarily indicative of regional, economic, or cultural ties.

I personally believe that the United States has simply grown too large to be effectively representative of its citizens. By voluntarily splitting it up into more cohesive areas (not necessarily political) more in tune with its own citizens, you create a more satisfied win-win for all involved. In economics, competition is good for all in the long run. The same will apply in a redesign of this not-very-United States.
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