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Old 05-28-2009, 07:44 AM
 
Location: Washington DC
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The North was probably more racist than the South for a long time. Think the Detroit race riots, etc. It just wasn't as overt about it.
Racism isn't confined to the South, but to assert that racism was WORSE in the North is just nonsense. Blacks were discriminated against in the North. Blacks were hung for being uppity in the South. World of difference.
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Old 05-28-2009, 07:46 AM
 
Location: chattanooga
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A book??? No, no. I'm a middle-aged Black man, born to parents, grandparents and ancestors of the South. I/we know all too well, the truth. My family got the hell out during WWII in order to find opportunities that didn't become tainted by Jim Crow law and it's racist, segregationist supporters.

You confederate sympathizers can hide behind your "heritage" all you want. But you better d@mn well know that there are people much smarter than you who know the truth and who aren't afraid to tell it.
In the south everyone was poor as a direct result of the war.,except a few wealthy plantation owners.When your family joined the Great Migration it was not just blacks who was poorest.No other region has been written about talked about and scrutinized as the old confederacy.Maybe you have heard of Tobacco road.Appalachia is still the poorest people in this country,I hear noone cry for them so stop your crying.I have no guilt
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Old 05-28-2009, 07:55 AM
 
Location: Washington DC
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Even Lincoln disliked the radicals. It's not a Southern thing to say Radical Republican.

Sherman in fact did burn/pillage everything in his path during his infamous march to the sea. An early example in this country of total war.

The South paid most federal taxes and in fact was the wealthiest portion of the country. That there was great inequality in wealth distribution is irrelevant. That was the case in the North too.
Sherman didn't "burn/pillage everything in his path." It's just a Southern lie. Only those that aided Confederate troops suffered the destruction of their personal property. Sherman's specific orders were

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To army corps commanders alone is entrusted the power to destroy mills, houses, cotton-gins, &c., and for them this general principle is laid down: In districts and neighborhoods where the army is unmolested no destruction of such property should be permitted; but should guerrillas or bushwhackers molest our march, or should the inhabitants burn bridges, obstruct roads, or otherwise manifest local hostility, then army commanders should order and enforce a devastation more or less relentless according to the measure of such hostility.
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Old 05-28-2009, 07:58 AM
 
Location: Atlanta, GA
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In the south everyone was poor as a direct result of the war.,except a few wealthy plantation owners.When your family joined the Great Migration it was not just blacks who was poorest.No other region has been written about talked about and scrutinized as the old confederacy.Maybe you have heard of Tobacco road.Appalachia is still the poorest people in this country,I hear noone cry for them so stop your crying.I have no guilt
Good gawd, now you're just rambling and lurching.
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Old 05-28-2009, 08:01 AM
 
Location: chattanooga
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Racism isn't confined to the South, but to assert that racism was WORSE in the North is just nonsense. Blacks were discriminated against in the North. Blacks were hung for being uppity in the South. World of difference.
Indiana,who fought for the union,had one of the worst klan problems and most lynchings in the nation.One of the worst lynchings to occur was in Duluth,Minnesota.Postcards were made is was a circus.If you have not read lynching statistics then you need look it up you would be surprised how often some elite northern states used lynch law
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Old 05-28-2009, 08:45 AM
 
Location: Washington DC
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Indiana,who fought for the union,had one of the worst klan problems and most lynchings in the nation.One of the worst lynchings to occur was in Duluth,Minnesota.Postcards were made is was a circus.If you have not read lynching statistics then you need look it up you would be surprised how often some elite northern states used lynch law
I have read lynching statistics, and black murders, and church burnings, and voter disenfranchisement, and I lived through the tail end of that in the South. It was systemactically worse in the South. To assert otherwise is just a lie. When Eisenhower sent in Federal troops, they went to the South not the North. The South was where the problem was not the North.
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Old 05-28-2009, 09:05 AM
 
Location: The Woods
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Racism isn't confined to the South, but to assert that racism was WORSE in the North is just nonsense. Blacks were discriminated against in the North. Blacks were hung for being uppity in the South. World of difference.
Blacks were killed in the North in equal numbers. The KKK was quite strong in the North. Coolidge had the most security for a president up to his time when he would visit Vermont, because of the violent KKK...
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Old 05-28-2009, 09:07 AM
 
Location: The Woods
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Sherman didn't "burn/pillage everything in his path." It's just a Southern lie. Only those that aided Confederate troops suffered the destruction of their personal property. Sherman's specific orders were
You can quote his official lines all you wish but it's well recorded what he did in the South. The feds had to keep at least the public image of their side good in the north and abroad. Same reason lincoln exploited slavery. To prevent foreign support for the South and to maintain support in the north.
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Old 05-28-2009, 09:07 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia
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so do you think of loyalists as irish, mr vanguard???
booyah!
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Old 05-28-2009, 09:24 AM
 
Location: NW Nevada
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1. According to what you posted, Ayers signed a petition along with a 59 others and sent it to the White House. There is nothing to indicated there is or ever was that they are "involved".

2. American citizens can't be deported. Ayers is and always has been an American citizen.

3. Confederate troops are not "our" troops. They were our enemies.

4. "Racial"? Where does race come into this?
Anything involved with the Confederacy is seen as 'racial', and as to Confederate soldiers having been 'our' enemies, remember, they were Americans to. Many aspects of the War Between the States are in need of reconciliation as yet methinks.
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