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More of the same. I no longer find this conversation amusing. I'm bored with it.
Well, whaddya know...we actually CAN agree on something!
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One question: Do you always have to have the last word?
Naw, not always. Only with a certain genre of which when the shoe fits...?
However, in this case, absolutely confident and satisfied my points have been made and that will gladly and even eagerly offer our past exchanges up for public scrutinty and final judgement, I will -- in the sole interest of watering down the flames for fear if it is keep it, the thread will be closed -- agree to that your last post be considered the official "last word" as concerns our tangental tiff.
However, anything else as to original topic or other issues related to the WBTS brought up by either are open for discussion/debate...
I don't really care if confederates were "transparent". No credit to them for being out front with their hatred.
I know your stance on this issue. I am glad that the President saw it otherwise and gave recognition to Soldiers that paid the ultimate price. I simply express professional recognition to them.
It would seem that if the "radical republicans" won by a landslide, they were in the majority.
To call those who opposed Johnson the "radical republicans" would be incorrect. They were the mainstream Republicans. Johnson by that time didn't identify with either party and was trying to start a third party. Remember, Republicans were the liberals of the Time, Democrats -- the self proclaimed white man's party -- were the conservatives. It was the moderate and Radical Republicans v. Johnson and the Democrats.
The republican majority leaders were Thaddeus stevens and Charles Sumner who were very radical and had enough power they did not have to work with the moderates,so radicals did control the 1866 congress.Now Johnson did openly defy theses radicals so much so he told the southern states not to amend the 14th amendment.My point was which you left off was black codes were gone after this would never be used again
Once Lincoln was killed Andrew johnson was moving to slowly for the radicals so the election of 1866 radical republicans won the election by a landslide Johnson had no power over reconstruction any longer.The radical congress put military districts all through the south.They gave full citizenship to former slaves and the right to vote.Former confederates were stripped of the right to vote.The former slaves and carperbaggers thus controlled the government of southern states,they repealed all black codes.They would never be reenacted.
*Granting citizenship to people already born here was hardly radical.
*Black Codes were immediately succeeded by Jim Crow laws.
By the way, what did your parents do with all that special ed money?
*Granting citizenship to people already born here was hardly radical.
*Black Codes were immediately succeeded by Jim Crow laws.
By the way, what did your parents do with all that special ed money?
It is called radical reconstruction,they were called radical republicans,not my words it is what it is.Now smart one,would you like to talk a little history,Jim Crow laws,civil rights.What did you read one book and now you know something.
It is called radical reconstruction,they were called radical republicans,not my words it is what it is.Now smart one,would you like to talk a little history,Jim Crow laws,civil rights.What did you read one book and now you know something.
A book??? No, no. I'm a middle-aged Black man, born to parents, grandparents and ancestors of the South. I/we know all too well, the truth. My family got the hell out during WWII in order to find opportunities that didn't become tainted by Jim Crow law and it's racist, segregationist supporters.
You confederate sympathizers can hide behind your "heritage" all you want. But you better d@mn well know that there are people much smarter than you who know the truth and who aren't afraid to tell it.
A book??? No, no. I'm a middle-aged Black man, born to parents, grandparents and ancestors of the South. I/we know all too well, the truth. My family got the hell out during WWII in order to find opportunities that didn't become tainted by Jim Crow law and it's racist, segregationist supporters.
You confederate sympathizers can hide behind your "heritage" all you want. But you better d@mn well know that there are people much smarter than you who know the truth and who aren't afraid to tell it.
The North was probably more racist than the South for a long time. Think the Detroit race riots, etc. It just wasn't as overt about it.
It is called radical reconstruction,they were called radical republicans,not my words it is what it is.Now smart one,would you like to talk a little history,Jim Crow laws,civil rights.What did you read one book and now you know something.
"Radical reconstruction " is Southern spin analogous to the stories of Sherman's march to the sea. Sherman burned properties where the civilian population was giving aid to Confederate troops, but to hear the Southern spin, he burned, raped, and pillaged all the way to the coast.
I also notice you like to spread the old canard about the South being incredibly wealthy before the war. Silly nonsense again. 1% was incredibly wealthy and 99%, especially the slaves, lived in abject poverty.
"Radical reconstruction " is Southern spin analogous to the stories of Sherman's march to the sea. Sherman burned properties where the civilian population was giving aid to Confederate troops, but to hear the Southern spin, he burned, raped, and pillaged all the way to the coast.
I also notice you like to spread the old canard about the South being incredibly wealthy before the war. Silly nonsense again. 1% was incredibly wealthy and 99%, especially the slaves, lived in abject poverty.
Even Lincoln disliked the radicals. It's not a Southern thing to say Radical Republican.
Sherman in fact did burn/pillage everything in his path during his infamous march to the sea. An early example in this country of total war.
The South paid most federal taxes and in fact was the wealthiest portion of the country. That there was great inequality in wealth distribution is irrelevant. That was the case in the North too.
The North was probably more racist than the South for a long time. Think the Detroit race riots, etc. It just wasn't as overt about it.
You leap-frogged about 300 years of time in order to get to the example of Detroit.
I understand what you're trying to say, but historically and practically, it's just not accurate to say that the North was "more racist". There was and is racism in the North. But it wasn't "more racist". It was, as you rightly point out, less overt.
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