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Old 06-19-2009, 09:34 PM
 
Location: Rockland County New York
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Drug testing is expensive. A lot of companies do the minimum that allows them an insurance break...after initial pre-hire testing, it's usually just done if there is an accident anymore. And even in random tests the average meth idiot or drunk has a better chance of passing than an occasional smoker. Not my problem anymore, though. But as an employer I'd prefer someone who smokes a little weed now and then rather than someone who does meth or has a drinking problem.
Even when they are charged with operating buses, trains and other equipment? I just don't agree.
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Old 06-19-2009, 09:36 PM
 
Location: NC
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How does one regulate a person who uses pot or any other drug without caution or reason? Human beings have a pretty bad track record when dealing with reason or logic.
It is not so much regulating the person as regulating the way in which a person gets something.

For example, most Americans today buy their alcohol from liquor, gas or grocery stores. These stories to operate legally have to enforce laws about the products they sell and who they sell them too.

For example, these stores have to abide by minimum age laws and are only allowed to sell these products according to state guidelines. This would be the case for marijuana as well if it were legalized.

This would prevent marijuana from being a gateway drug because, these establishments, unlike drug dealers would not, in most cases and even if it were possible, illegally sell other drugs like opium and Meth. Thus the vast majority of the public seeking to purchase pot would not be exposed to these drugs the way they would be if they had to acquire their pot through an illegal drug dealer.

Additionally since such legal establishments, even with taxes, would be a cheaper and safer way to buy pot chances are by the laws of supply and demand, they would put out of business street marijuana dealers selling a more expensive, illegal and inferior product. Thus most citizens seeking to get pot would not involve the black market and when purchasing pot would not have the oppertunity to buy other drugs, excluding alcohol and tobacco, as such pot would not be a gateway drug because it would no long be associated with still illegal drugs on the supply side. I hope this answers your question.
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Old 06-19-2009, 09:37 PM
 
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Even when they are charged with operating buses, trains and other equipment? I just don't agree.
Don't agree with what?

I'd rather have an occasional weed smoker driving my bus than someone with a huge alcohol hangover or a meth freak.
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Old 06-19-2009, 09:37 PM
 
Location: ✶✶✶✶
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It's interesting to read people like Nomander who try to claim intellectual superiority while stooping to ad hominem attacks. Weaksauce.
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Old 06-19-2009, 09:40 PM
 
Location: Rockland County New York
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It is not so much regulating the person as regulating the way in which a person gets something.

For example, most Americans today buy their alcohol from liquor, gas or grocery stores. These stories to operate legally have to enforce laws about the products they sell and who they sell them too.

For example, these stores have to abide by minimum age laws and are only allowed to sell these products according to state guidelines. This would be the case for marijuana as well if it were legalized.

This would prevent it from being a gateway drug because, these establishments, unlike drug dealers would not, in most case and even if it were possible, illegally sell other drugs like opium and Meth. Thus the vast majority of the public seeking to purchase pot would not be exposed to these drugs the way they would be if they had to acquire their pot through an illegal drug dealer.

Additionally since such legal establishments, even with taxes, would be a cheaper and safer way to buy pot chances are by the laws of supply and demand, they would put out of business street marijuana dealers selling a more expensive, illegal and inferior product. Thus most citizens seeking to get pot would not involve the black market and when purchasing pot would not have the oppertunity to buy other drugs, excluding alcohol and tobacco, as such pot would not be a gateway drug because it would no long be associated with still illegal drugs on the supply side. I hope this answers your question.
I am not buying the argument that legalizing pot will curb the large amount of illegal selling of a substance which in its addictedness can not be regulated by irresponsible users.
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Old 06-19-2009, 09:42 PM
 
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I am not buying the argument that legalizing pot will curb the large amount of illegal selling of a substance which in its addictedness can not be regulated by irresponsible users.
What the hell is "addictedness?"
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Old 06-19-2009, 09:42 PM
 
Location: Rockland County New York
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Don't agree with what?

I'd rather have an occasional weed smoker driving my bus than someone with a huge alcohol hangover or a meth freak.
I've already been warned about saying too much by the moderator so I am just going to leave it here. The 1st amendment does not exist every where.
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Old 06-19-2009, 09:43 PM
 
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I am not buying the argument that legalizing pot will curb the large amount of illegal selling of a substance which in its addictedness can not be regulated by irresponsible users.
I do.

I live in a place where it's legal and this is a pretty damned strong society.
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Old 06-19-2009, 09:44 PM
 
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What the hell is "addictedness?"
I was wondering the same thing.
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Old 06-19-2009, 09:45 PM
 
Location: Rockland County New York
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What the hell is "addictedness?"
The degree in which a controlled substance can make a person addicted by general and frequent use. Its one of the reasons why pot is considered a gateway drug.
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