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Old 01-03-2010, 02:44 PM
 
Location: Midwest City, Oklahoma
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"Racism is the lowest, most crudely primitive form of collectivism. It is the notion of ascribing moral, social or political significance to a man’s genetic lineage—the notion that a man’s intellectual and characterological traits are produced and transmitted by his internal body chemistry. Which means, in practice, that a man is to be judged, not by his own character and actions, but by the characters and actions of a collective of ancestors.

Racism claims that the content of a man’s mind (not his cognitive apparatus, but its content) is inherited; that a man’s convictions, values and character are determined before he is born, by physical factors beyond his control.

This is the caveman’s version of the doctrine of innate ideas—or of inherited knowledge—which has been thoroughly refuted by philosophy and science. Racism is a doctrine of, by and for brutes. It is a barnyard or stock-farm version of collectivism, appropriate to a mentality that differentiates between various breeds of animals, but not between animals and men.

Like every form of determinism, racism invalidates the specific attribute which distinguishes man from all other living species: his rational faculty.

Racism negates two aspects of man’s life: reason and choice, or mind and morality, replacing them with chemical predestination." Ayn Rand
'Fat' gene found by scientists - Times Online

The Get Out of Jail Free gene - Times Online

Genes Explain Why Some Kids Grow Up to Be Violent, Abusive* -- A Lie

Sport and Ethnicity (http://www.pponline.co.uk/encyc/0657.htm - broken link)

Race differences in average IQ are largely genetic


I wish I lived in the same world you live in. The world I live in is extremely unfair, cruel, and uncaring.

I want to live in the world where everyone is born with the same IQ, with the same capacity for logical and rational thought. Where the only determinant for success is determination and desire.

If there is a fat gene, a violence gene, and if certain racial groups seem to be much more fit in certain physical natures(like blacks in sprinting). And if there are basically intelligence genes that are largely genetic, then why is it so absolutely ridiculous to believe that a group of people might have a higher prevalence of that gene existing than others? All genes are passed along in the same manner that blonde hair or blue eyes are passed. If a group of people have a higher probability of the blonde gene, or the fat gene, or the violent gene, then why is it illogical for one group to have a higher probability of the "smart" gene.

It is completely based on what is important in society. To say, "White men can't jump" is perfectly acceptable, because you don't need to be able to jump, run, dance, or to "keep a beat" to be successful in modern society. On the other hand, if you were to say "Black men can't think"(or any other racial group), there would be endless calls of racism. Anyone making that claim would be labeled the enemy of modern society and would get endless death threats, and treated as if he was the most ignorant and self-serving person in the world.

Which sadly, is already the status of our world today.
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Old 01-03-2010, 04:06 PM
 
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I am confused on what "evidence" has been presented to prove differences in races don't exist?
It is interesting, the many sides of the racial questions/debates, often view the other sides as bigots! Of course, only one side of the debate controls the bully pulpit and most folks go with the flow. So, that side usually "wins" and then declares, "we have consensus"

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Old 01-03-2010, 04:26 PM
 
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Well being of French Ancestry since 9/11 have seen so many against French and being very open as to how they feel.As a matter fact I was asked to leave another Forum then was harrassed by the Owner through my EMail until I contacted our State Police.

I have two adopted kids that are Iranian they have been having a hard time of it.

hillman
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Old 01-03-2010, 04:58 PM
 
Location: Midwest City, Oklahoma
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Well being of French Ancestry since 9/11 have seen so many against French and being very open as to how they feel.As a matter fact I was asked to leave another Forum then was harrassed by the Owner through my EMail until I contacted our State Police.

I have two adopted kids that are Iranian they have been having a hard time of it.

hillman
Well, the American dislike of the French because of the Iraq war interference was pretty damn silly. And when I look back in time I am a little bothered at myself because I had even gotten swept up in it. It was merely because the French disagreed with us, and how dare anyone disagree with America(says the crazy war-mongering right-wingers). The sad thing was, the French were right and we were wrong, does that mean we should extend them an apology? Well, it will never happen, because even though most Americans agree that Iraq was a bad idea and was not directly involved in terrorism, Americans are far too proud to do such a thing as apoligize to what we perceive as a weak and insignificant country like France(and socialists too).

On the other hand, why in the hell would you adopt two Iranian kids? People need to use some common sense when dealing with interracial adoptions. Those kids will almost guaranteed have severe emotional problems and express that baggage on the rest of your society. You might think you are being noble by helping these kids in a bad situation in Iran. But were there no French kids that you could adopt? That would be thought of as your actual child, and would most likely easily assimilate and adjust to your way of life. And not have identity problems later in life because they don't really know who they are, and what group of people they belong to.

And before you start talking about how they "are your kids", and they'll "be like you because you raised them". Please slap yourself and knock the delusional out of your head. That almost never happens, and people will almost always associated with the group of people they look like or where they come from. Maybe you'll be lucky, but the odds are against you.
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Old 01-03-2010, 05:14 PM
 
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I agree. I've always said, "Racism is always going to exist." That doesn't mean that we should be OK with it or not challenge it. I believe that it is one of the traits of humanity that doesn't really lead to anything positive. Some racist groups think that being proud of their ancestry makes racism OK, but it doesn't. You can be proud of your blood without being racist. Luckily, racism really isn't as big of a deal in everyday life.
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Old 01-03-2010, 06:25 PM
 
Location: 95468
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seriously. people are always going to hate. hate has existed since the beginning of time, and it will always exist. people need to get over race issues, or else they are going to be in for a lifetime of disappointment. or perhaps the government will start trying to legislating thoughts. we know how much some people would like that.
Don't assume racism = hate. Mild annoyance is more than enough to trigger that accusation. Sometimes simply mentioning certain undeniable facts will incite some to make the claim. Remember all those black Church burnings a few years ago? Not one was linked to racism so said the FBI.
I agree with you, we need to get over race issues. And decide what is actually worthy of the racism charge.
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Old 01-03-2010, 06:38 PM
 
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Question What Is The Problem With Hate?

Hate seems to get a bad rap today. Christians often bow to the erroneous ethic: hate = bad. The Bible says, "the wicked hate the righteous and the righteous hate the wicked." Hate, from God's perspective, does not appear to = bad. So, where's the fire?
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Old 01-03-2010, 07:01 PM
 
Location: Washington
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Don't assume racism = hate. Mild annoyance is more than enough to trigger that accusation. Sometimes simply mentioning certain undeniable facts will incite some to make the claim. Remember all those black Church burnings a few years ago? Not one was linked to racism so said the FBI.
I agree with you, we need to get over race issues. And decide what is actually worthy of the racism charge.
Citing 'incorrect racial facts' that are simply overstated stereotypes usually = Hate. This is what frequently happens with racists. The claim to speak on 'statistics' but those statistics tend to be made up. When shown the real statistics, they clam up and dissappear.

Its not a new tactic. The germans did it successfully with the Protocols of the Elders of Zion and events like the burning of the reigstagg.

You cannot divorce racism from hate. The two concepts are not only linked, but racism requires a level of hate to exist.
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Old 01-03-2010, 07:34 PM
 
Location: SARASOTA, FLORIDA
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Some people will not change their minds no matter how much you teach them something. For example, a young man who grew up listening to his fathers racist rants will think that his father is speaking the truth. What boy would go against his father?

Like father, like son?

Or perhaps growing up in a 50-50 neighborhood like my husband did to see that hate and aggressive behavior coming from one race gives perhaps a person the one the job training of what the truth is.

When one is taught to be aggressive, forceful, hateful and that you are owed something without ever earning it by the adults who surround them, then you will see the reason why I personally believe that racism has been ramped up and given the false premise that it is ok now that Obama is in the WH.

Racism is alive and well in American and until someone understands that racism exists on ALL side then we will never see the end of it.
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Old 01-03-2010, 08:06 PM
 
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Unless you are a Globalist/Internationalist then races not liking each other shouldn't bother you.

There's the old phrase, "stick to your own kind."
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