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Old 08-12-2009, 05:33 PM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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How is that going to work after the transition to a single payer system that Obama, Frank, and other Dems keep talking about?
No,

Most aren't talking about a single payer system. Obama said in the past he would have preferred a single payer system, but he realized that that would never pass.

They are going for a hybrid system, similar to Frances system, which is ranked number one in the world. You can keep your private insurance, or you can drop it and get the government run plan.

As many have pointed out, the government run plan probably won't be as good as the private plan, which is why most people will probably keep their private plan.

Whats that you ask? Why would companies continue to offer health insurance when people can get it for free? Its simple, to keep the best talent working for them, that and the fear of a 8% tax because they aren't offering healthcare.
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Old 08-12-2009, 05:38 PM
 
Location: California
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I have never had a problem with USPS. I ebay a lot and use them almost exclusively for shipping and receiving. I'm not saying they are perfect, but for me they have always been. I can't think of any company that is perfect for everyone 100% of the time. Which is why choices are always good.

Isn't that what Obama wants?
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Old 08-12-2009, 05:38 PM
 
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And the irony being, the USPS has mostly been "privatized", meaning it's no longer an actual government agency, but is supported almost entirely* by sales revenues, not taxes. And better yet, the notion that its operating with "huge deficits" is entirely untrue.

*"The USPS does get some taxpayer support. Around $96 million is budgeted annually by Congress for the "Postal Service Fund." These funds are used to compensate USPS for postage-free mailing for all legally blind persons and for mail-in election ballots sent from US citizens living overseas. A portion of the funds also pays USPS for providing address information to state and local child support enforcement agencies, and for keeping some rural posts offices in operation."

The United States Postal Service (USPS). Is it government agency or a private business? It's both.
no, the biggest irony is that the postal service is now being asked to consider privatization to save money:

Privatization may solve the USPS's money problems - Aug. 3, 2009
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Old 08-12-2009, 05:39 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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You quoted me, but didn't even read it apparently. I specifically said, "and I'm paraphrasing." Besides what's the big difference between what he said, and what I thought he said? Either way, he went out of his way to point out that a government run entity was extremely inefficient and poorly run and that private competitors were kicking the government run ones butt. How on earth is this in any way, shape or form, an endorsement for government run healthcare? As I've already said, it sounds like something that the 57% of Americans opposed to Obamacare would use against him.
But Obamacare is not government run health care. It only attempts to reform health insurance.
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Old 08-12-2009, 05:40 PM
 
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And the irony being, the USPS has mostly been "privatized", meaning it's no longer an actual government agency, but is supported almost entirely* by sales revenues, not taxes. And better yet, the notion that its operating with "huge deficits" is entirely untrue.

*"The USPS does get some taxpayer support. Around $96 million is budgeted annually by Congress for the "Postal Service Fund." These funds are used to compensate USPS for postage-free mailing for all legally blind persons and for mail-in election ballots sent from US citizens living overseas. A portion of the funds also pays USPS for providing address information to state and local child support enforcement agencies, and for keeping some rural posts offices in operation."

The United States Postal Service (USPS). Is it government agency or a private business? It's both.
So the analogy is wrong altogether.
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Old 08-12-2009, 05:43 PM
 
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But Obamacare is not government run health care. It only attempts to reform health insurance.
hopefully this is the case. With an option for a public insurance policy.

And 10 years from now when the public option is bleeding purfusely the rest of us will finally comprehend the fact that government is completely incompetent when it comes to providing social services.
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Old 08-12-2009, 05:44 PM
 
Location: Redondo Beach, CA
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no, the biggest irony is that the postal service is now being asked to consider privatization to save money:

Privatization may solve the USPS's money problems - Aug. 3, 2009
Being asked? Being asked by who? That's an editorial with one person's opinion. She claims "many experts" say it's the best solution, but she doesn't say who those experts are, what they're experts in, or link to where these experts supposedly said such a thing. And the only part that addressed them actually being "asked" to do anything, was about the GAO, who issued a report with several recommendations, which included "speed up the streamlining" and cut the workforce. Again, where's the "asking" part, let alone asking them to privatize?

Did you think that if you misrepresented the content of that article that I wouldn't click the link and read it for myself, and that I'd just take you at your word that it said what you claim?
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Old 08-12-2009, 05:45 PM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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Again,

If you don't want government health insurance, you are more than welcome to get your own.

If you don't have insurance, I'm sure you'll be happy with something rather than nothing.
Not according to H.R. 3200. If you don't have health insurance the IRS will fine you several thousand dollars (7% of your income) and automatically enroll you in the socialist government single-payer plan.

If you do have health insurance, then your insurance carrier must comply and enroll with the socialist government single-payer plan after 5 years (or sooner if you change your policy).

H.R. 3200 leaves no choice, everyone must be on the socialist government single-payer plan within 5 years after it is enacted into law.

Next time try actually reading the bill instead of making up lies.
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Old 08-12-2009, 06:00 PM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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Not according to H.R. 3200. If you don't have health insurance the IRS will fine you several thousand dollars (7% of your income) and automatically enroll you in the socialist government single-payer plan.

If you do have health insurance, then your insurance carrier must comply and enroll with the socialist government single-payer plan after 5 years (or sooner if you change your policy).

H.R. 3200 leaves no choice, everyone must be on the socialist government single-payer plan within 5 years after it is enacted into law.

Next time try actually reading the bill instead of making up lies.
Only if you have enough money to pay for your own. Otherwise you get a tax subsidy to pay for your insurance for you.

Anyway, you don't have to use it if you don't want to. I think you'd be in the minority if you had health insurance and didn't use it.

What the hell are you talking about your health insurance has to comply with the socialist plan? They have to comply with standards like, you can't drop people with pre-existing conditions, and things of that nature, but I don't see that as a bad thing, its been a long time coming.
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Old 08-12-2009, 06:00 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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No,

Most aren't talking about a single payer system. Obama said in the past he would have preferred a single payer system, but he realized that that would never pass.

They are going for a hybrid system, similar to Frances system, which is ranked number one in the world. You can keep your private insurance, or you can drop it and get the government run plan.

As many have pointed out, the government run plan probably won't be as good as the private plan, which is why most people will probably keep their private plan.
At least two people in the linked video (below) indicate that while you may 'think' what you posted above is true, the goal is actually to strategically sneak a plan in that will lull Americans into a false sense of confidence that they can 'keep' their private health insurance while we transition to a single-payer government health care system.

Watch Jacob Hacker and IL Dem Jan Schakowsky in this video, particularly Hacker at around 1:48 and forward (may work best in HQ mode - click the HQ icon):

YouTube - The Public Plan Deception - It's Not About Choice
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