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No, that is not what it says. Read it again. It states that first you must already have insurance policy the day before the law goes into effect in order to keep your existing insurance policy. If you change that policy, for any reason, after the socialist government single-payer plan goes into effect, you immediately lose your option to keep your insurance plan and must enroll into the socialist government single-payer plan. Even if you do not change your policy, five years after the socialist government single-payer plan goes into effect, ALL insurance carriers must adopt the socialist government single-payer plan. Kiss your insurance policy goodbye.
must meet the same requirements as apply to a qualified health benefits plan under section 101
The requirements under section 101 they are talking about, are the base care expected. That is what they are talking about.
I just watched the video ... and it is COMPLETELY OBVIOUS what Obama meant.
Obama made a reference that private health care insurers might be worried about having to COMPETE against a public health insurance option.
And he then stated that this is happening right now with UPS and FedEX.
Both of these companies are doing fine, even though they are competing against a public option (the USPS).
The statement was meant purely to show that private insurers will still do well, even if a public insurance option existed.
However, many Republicans in this thread COMPLETELY TWISTED the intention of Obama's statement, to mean something completely different.
There was nothing wrong with what Obama said ... and there is no need for him to correct himself, or even feel badly about his choice for an analogy.
obama did not think far enough ahead to realize that his statement would point out the failure of the "public" option (USPS) compared to the private options......
obama did not think far enough ahead to realize that his statement would point out the failure of the "public" option (USPS) compared to the private options......
As has been said, numerous times,
Those who have insurance, are free to keep it. I KNOW that the public plan won't be as good as my private plan is now. So I'm going to keep my private plan.
Those with no insurance will be happy to get anything. It won't force corporations to drop insurance because they'd have to pay a high tax rate then, and because they want to hold onto the best talent. Also, it won't force private insurance companies to close, because of that very same reason.
Now, this is the 9th time I think I've had to answer this question.
Those who have insurance, are free to keep it. I KNOW that the public plan won't be as good as my private plan is now. So I'm going to keep my private plan.
Those with no insurance will be happy to get anything. It won't force corporations to drop insurance because they'd have to pay a high tax rate then, and because they want to hold onto the best talent. Also, it won't force private insurance companies to close, because of that very same reason.
Now, this is the 9th time I think I've had to answer this question.
You can answer it 9 more times.
It doesn't mean some of us will suddenly agree with you because of the repetition.
You can answer it 9 more times.
It doesn't mean some of us will suddenly agree with you because of the repetition.
I don't want you to agree with me if I'm wrong,
I'm in favor of good, open, honest debate.
Someone gives an argument, I can either choose to argue for or against that argument, and then you argue back. Preferably with real statistics, and things of that nature. Not just making things up like "death panels" and "we are all going to have to get government healthcare". Those aren't good arguments, and its why the Republicans are just trying to scare people, because scared people will believe anything, and don't require a rational argument. I don't like the Democrats much either, and the bill passed by the house is a BAD bill as it is right now, because it will increase the cost of healthcare, not decrease it. However, with some tweaking, and some good work by some Republicans, maybe it can work.
All I want is for people to quit fighting so hard against something that is needed, and work together to get the best bill possible.
The post office has pretty well knocked off Ebay also, people used to mail dozens of boxes a week using Priority Mail for items as mundane as an old toaster or waffle iron. The rates have gone up so much that the item sold is worth less than the postage. I knew a guy that did $250,000 a year selling small, cheap items; now he is totally out of business.
First class put a dent in business to, it used to be you could mail an 8X10 photograph for its weight only first class. Now, there are restrictions, you pay more if the envelope is over 1/4 inch thick, or even more than that if the envelope is over a certain dimension.
Have some questions/comments about the issue of companies keeping their plans, but background first to reference my questions:
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[Senator] Rockefeller said he doesn't support a health care system consisting only of the government, known as a "single payer" plan. He wants a system in which the government offers a "public option" to compete with private insurance companies, which he said would drive costs down for everyone. Rockefeller stumps for health reform in W.Va. - News Wires - CNBC.com (http://www.cnbc.com/id/32376790 - broken link)
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... audience member raised a "legitimate concern" about how a government-run health-care program might affect private insurers.
[Obama:] "My answer is that if the private insurance companies are providing a good bargain, and if the public option has to be self-sustaining -- meaning taxpayers aren't subsidizing it, but it has to run on charging premiums and providing good services and a good network of doctors, just like any other private insurer would do -- then I think private insurers should be able to compete. They do it all the time."
Then he invoked the Postal Service: Federal Eye - The President and the Postal Service
Would like to know....
1. How private insurance companies who are in the business to make a profit can compete with a gov plan which is NOT out to make a profit. In the real world, a company who underbids competitors hangs for a while but eventually goes out of business.
Woe to the companies who have to compete with the low-ball bidder who has unlimited resources behind it. In the long-run, the "profit" companies can't compete.
2. How the Feds figure they can efficiently run the health insurance industry when they do not have a good track record of running anything efficiently. Even Obama gave an example of this when he said FedEx and UPS were doing good but the govt run USPS wasn't.
Note: Actually, comparing FedEx/UPS to the Postal Service is not comparing apples to apples. When's the last time FedEx/UPS has delivered your utility bills and letters on a daily basis?
However, the Feds are talking about directly competing in the health insurance field.
3. Do agree with Obama that IF the public option is self sustaining, it may be good competition.
But does anyone buy the fact that would happen?
Social Security may give a good indication of what would happen.
If private insurance companies are not able to compete, they are, in essence, "run" out of business as we know it -- this can very well lead to circumstances where people have a govt health plan as their only or primary health coverage, perhaps can buy supplemental insurance but perhaps not, etc.
So while the arguement that the govt plan does not force companies/people to go to the govt plan, in the long run if private insurers can't compete they will fold or transform, so the govt plan DOES force companies/people into the govt plan.
Keep a level playing field, then that would be a different story.
The chances of that happening - I'd say slim to nil are pretty good odds.
I DO support some type of health reform, reform in the insurance industry, and torte reform.
Just not buying what the govt is selling.
BTW, wasn't this whole issue called healthcare reform before, but has now changed to health insurance reform? Sort of like global warming was changed to climate control?
Someone gives an argument, I can either choose to argue for or against that argument, and then you argue back. Preferably with real statistics, and things of that nature. Not just making things up like "death panels" and "we are all going to have to get government healthcare". Those aren't good arguments, and its why the Republicans are just trying to scare people, because scared people will believe anything, and don't require a rational argument. I don't like the Democrats much either, and the bill passed by the house is a BAD bill as it is right now, because it will increase the cost of healthcare, not decrease it. However, with some tweaking, and some good work by some Republicans, maybe it can work.
All I want is for people to quit fighting so hard against something that is needed, and work together to get the best bill possible.
Ordinarily I would agree .
It is just that, on this and even the other issues you mention, it has been agrued 'back and forth' right here on this forum numerous times.
Some posters don't seem to mind repeating and repeating and repeating.
I feel like ,if it's still being brought up, previous arguments must be just falling on deaf ears or someones opinion will simply not be changed so why bother.
Maybe instead of healthcare he should offer an overhaul to the US Postal service. Yes, folks, the US economy is being devastated by the costs of the US postal service and its effect on struggling working families. Even illegals can't mail letters. It's a crisis I tell's ya, and we have to rush through a 2,000 page bill immediately.
The post office has always shown a profit until recently when healtcare and gasoline costs caused massive losses. And we know who gets rich off healthcare and oil.
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