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Old 12-14-2009, 12:14 PM
 
Location: Hoboken
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Copenhagen? Andrew Breitbart works for Drudge. Sheeple are so gullible.

It is a link to a video from Copenhagen. But continue to wallow in your ignorance. Its cute. I can smell the fear, you may actually learn something that Al doesn't want you to. Can't have that can we!
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Old 12-15-2009, 01:19 PM
 
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All wrong. The mercury in glass thermometer was invented in 1714. It can be calibrated with a bucket of ice water and a pot of boiling water. You can read one easily to 1/10 of a degree. Overlapping reading in time and space allow adjustment of heat island effects and pooling data from broad geographic regions compensates for local variations. NOAA does use satellite data for measurements. You appear not to realize that NOAA measures surface and atmospheric temperatures. Scientists are using surface temperatures because that's where we live.

vindication is soooooo sweet....

http://climateaudit.org/2007/08/17/detectives-in-tucson/


see above for proof of issues with changing thermometers…. Sorry Church you are wrong once again. For a S M R T guy you sure get it wrong a lot! LOL!
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Old 12-15-2009, 02:00 PM
 
Location: Under a bridge.
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vindication is soooooo sweet....

http://climateaudit.org/2007/08/17/detectives-in-tucson/


see above for proof of issues with changing thermometers…. Sorry Church you are wrong once again. For a S M R T guy you sure get it wrong a lot! LOL!
In agreement:
This all just goes back to what I said a long time ago: Where is the ORIGINAL data? What are the errors of measurement? What are the errors of the forecast (estimate)? Without that information, nobody can be trusted. Not even ....[insert the name of the most trustworthy person you can think of here].

(rlchurch is still on the "ignore" list.)
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Old 12-15-2009, 02:05 PM
 
Location: Under a bridge.
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This is interesting:
Daily Express | UK News :: Climate change is natural: 100 reasons why
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Old 12-15-2009, 02:09 PM
 
Location: Washington DC
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vindication is soooooo sweet....

http://climateaudit.org/2007/08/17/detectives-in-tucson/


see above for proof of issues with changing thermometers…. Sorry Church you are wrong once again. For a S M R T guy you sure get it wrong a lot! LOL!
LOL some RW blog claims that there are problems with data collection at a Tucson weather station. OHHHHH MY GOD. You've got us. 100% of the climate data that we have been using all these years have come from Tucson and we never realized it was wrong (Or you can substitute we knew and just lied). You're a trip Ferd. This pretty much made my day.

Hey want to buy a copy of President Obama's Kenyan Birth Certificate? My wife's brother's pool boy got a copy from his cousin who is chief of police over there.
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Old 12-15-2009, 02:17 PM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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Well, since the scales used for measuring temperature were man-made, and the devices used to measure them were man-made, you have twice the fallibility, don't you?

It is either warmer today than it was yesterday, or it is NOT warmer today than yesterday.

All I know is I've gone to work the past few weeks, and did NOT need a jacket. But this time last year, I was putting on a sweater, a knit hat, a coat...
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Old 12-15-2009, 02:34 PM
 
Location: Under a bridge.
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In the United States , the cap-and-trade is an approach designed to control carbon emissions and will impose huge costs upon American citizens via a carbon tax on all goods and services produced in the United States. The average family of four can expect to pay an additional $1700, or £1,043, more each year. It is predicted that the United States will lose more than 2 million jobs as the result of cap-and-trade schemes.
From Daily Express | UK News :: Climate change is natural: 100 reasons why
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Old 12-15-2009, 02:54 PM
 
Location: Washington DC
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In the United States , the cap-and-trade is an approach designed to control carbon emissions and will impose huge costs upon American citizens via a carbon tax on all goods and services produced in the United States. The average family of four can expect to pay an additional $1700, or £1,043, more each year. It is predicted that the United States will lose more than 2 million jobs as the result of cap-and-trade schemes.
From Daily Express | UK News :: Climate change is natural: 100 reasons why
What silly nonsense. Just an extension of the RW propaganda. Earlier "estimates" were even higher, but equally as silly. Here's what FACTCheck found Cap-and-Trade Cost Inflation | FactCheck.org

The EPA says $98-140/yr. (http://www.epa.gov/climatechange/economics/pdfs/WM-Analysis.pdf - broken link)

I personally will pay no more because my energy comes from wind. It's currently cheaper than the pre cap & trade energy than include a lot of coal.
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Old 12-15-2009, 02:55 PM
 
Location: Washington DC
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Well, since the scales used for measuring temperature were man-made, and the devices used to measure them were man-made, you have twice the fallibility, don't you?
Until you calibrate your thermometer in ice water and then boiling water. After that it's spot on.
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Old 12-15-2009, 03:06 PM
 
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[quote=rlchurch;12040540]Here's what FACTCheck found quote]
...and the way Obama plans to reduce the impact to the American consumer (according to the left leaning FACTCheck.org that one poster seems to be enamored with) is this: OBAMA PLANS TO REBATE TO AMERICAN CONSUMERS THE DIFFERENCE IN ENERGY CREDITS. In other words, "Yes, it will cost more. But, hey, the government is becomming increasingly socialist, and they will take care of the costs to you (note: nothing is said about the costs to the overall economy) ....SOOOOO don't worry. Daddy Obama knows what's best."

Isn't that what FACTCheck.org REALLY said, but, of course, not in those words.

What is needed is a study from an economist--not from a political mouth piece.
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