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Old 12-15-2009, 04:12 PM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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back to physics class for you. Water can be 100% liquid at 32°F. An ice water mixture will be at exactly 32°F.
That would be chemistry, actually. What I was saying is that while water freezes at 32 degrees, you can put ice cubes in a glass of water...and it will be "ice water" but it won't necessarily be 32 degrees.
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Old 12-15-2009, 04:36 PM
 
Location: MO Ozarkian in NE Hoosierana
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That would be chemistry, actually. What I was saying is that while water freezes at 32 degrees, you can put ice cubes in a glass of water...and it will be "ice water" but it won't necessarily be 32 degrees.
tsk tsk TKramar... can't you understand?

Its not like it has to be that accurate to get these devices to be within 1/10th of a degree...









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Old 12-15-2009, 04:42 PM
 
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That would be chemistry, actually. What I was saying is that while water freezes at 32 degrees, you can put ice cubes in a glass of water...and it will be "ice water" but it won't necessarily be 32 degrees.
I think that would be physics... or you could even put it in thermodynamics.

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Old 12-15-2009, 04:50 PM
 
Location: Under a bridge.
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I think that would be physics... or you could even put it in thermodynamics.

Phase Changes
The issue is that rlchurch is not Dr. Know-it-all.
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Old 12-15-2009, 04:54 PM
 
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An ice water mixture will be at exactly 32°F.
If you've ever actually used a temp. probe and done this, accurate to .01°F/°C, then you'll find it should actually be 32.01°F or 0.01°C... Just saying..
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Old 12-15-2009, 04:56 PM
 
Location: Under a bridge.
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rlchurch has disappeared. Apparently he can't deal with real data.
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Old 12-15-2009, 07:21 PM
 
Location: Washington DC
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That would be chemistry, actually. What I was saying is that while water freezes at 32 degrees, you can put ice cubes in a glass of water...and it will be "ice water" but it won't necessarily be 32 degrees.
After a few minutes it will be. Exactly 32°F. And it's thermodynamics which is a subset of physics. It may be taught in other classes in high school, but the properties of fluids is physics.
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Old 12-15-2009, 07:29 PM
 
Location: Washington DC
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http://www.junkscience.com/Cap_and_Trade_Economic_Analysis_September_2007.pdf (broken link)

Here you go.
Cute funded by Exxon.
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Old 12-15-2009, 07:36 PM
 
Location: Duluth, Minnesota, USA
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A lot of weather stations existed in 1880...I think the Duluth one started in 1867 or something like that
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Old 12-15-2009, 08:51 PM
 
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Cute funded by Exxon.
Everyone agrees--that cap and trade will drive prices up. The only disagreement is the amount prices will go up. There is no reason for this insanity -- but the proponents say: Prices go up a little. Opponets say: prices go up a lot. The only question is wether we should trust the government (proponents) on economic issues. I think not--they're recent behaviors show that the politicians knowledge of the dismal science is...well dismal.
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