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Joe Lieberman never met a stack of vested interest cash he couldn't deep throat. AFAIC he's dead meat in 2012 if he runs.
Mike have you managed to not see that Old Joe has changed his mind since the majority caucus had its meeting in the White House. What do you suppose they promised him to get his vote. Money, power or what? We all know that they either scared the hell out of him, and he isn't running again, or they paid him some good old taxpayers tax. When you find out let me know.
Why do I keep seeing you people talking about the insurance companies that still are in business in Europe when you say we don't need them any longer.
That amounts to comparing atomic bombs to bananas for damage each could do.
Roy, if you did some research and kept an open mind you'd know that the insurance companies in places like Germany are not allowed to refuse people for pre-existing conditions, etc. Germany has about 225 insurance companies and between them, ALL people in Germany are covered. And NO, it's not socialism either so spare us that lame crap, the German government does NOT own the hospitals and does NOT pay the doctors directly, as in the UK model.
Insurance firms here have few rules governing their operations; therein lies the scandal that health insurance is in this country.
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Then, after reading, (s)he just might get a little brightbright. Notice I said "might".
Hey Einstein, you fail to put up the amount of US citizens, that will die in that same period of time, that do have insurance!
That number would be 2,285,000
....so what is left in this mess of a bill? You are so right about most not knowing what is in store for us. I just have a gut feeling like all the help for the "people" that the democrats provide, it will be very, very expensive.
Expensive and sad. They know that they don't have to have public option and so many other things they are seemingly letting go when they haven't taken out any of the "force everybody to have health insurance" still in there. Once they have swung that part it is just one step at a time till they take over completely and there won't be one damned thing we can do. Once they get the power to force people to have health insurance they can just throw the Constitution away because the end is in sight for it.
So sorry, but your "story" about your experiences with the health insurance folks again just sounds tooooooo good to be true, and you know what they say about something that seems too good to be true. I'm still not buying it. Is your employer a health insurance company?
So how does the McCarran-Ferguson Act help the consumer "reform" the health insurance industry? If all is so great with the health insurance business as it is today, and the problems can be resolved by the "consumer," why did big insurance go ape-**** when they thought that Congress would get rid of their anti-trust exemption?? Huh?
Your message over and over is "my" family is comprised of very sick people with very serious health problems, and I was able to overcome all the major problems that other people in this country seem to have failed to overcome in terms of making health insurance companies allow treatment for major medical problems because I'm so smart and everybody else is so dumb......(meaning, see, it's really simple, and those folks who had problems must have been stupid or lazy) ...and that "government-run" health care is the ultimate evil. You know, that's straight out of the playbook of big insurance.
Again, sorry, but I just don't believe your story, and it seems to me that you are doing everything you can to confuse the issues with the "simple" story of your enormous success with big insurance and that anyone can do it if they just persevere.......that there are some problems with the health insurance business, but those problems are nothing compared to "government-run" (which is a total BS description) healthcare.
Oh well, some people just can't handle the truth when it conflicts with their agenda. How is giving one's experiences with health insurance confusing the issue? Would you like to share one of your horror stories with us because I have not heard any from anyone I know. Maybe you can enlighten us a little with your personal experiences.
Like I said before all types of insurance need reforming. The only difference is most people don't feel it is the government's job to do it. BTW I work for a property investment/management company not an insurance company.
Roy, if you did some research and kept an open mind you'd know that the insurance companies in places like Germany are not allowed to refuse people for pre-existing conditions, etc. Germany has about 225 insurance companies and between them, ALL people in Germany are covered. And NO, it's not socialism either so spare us that lame crap, the German government does NOT own the hospitals and does NOT pay the doctors directly, as in the UK model.
Insurance firms here have few rules governing their operations; therein lies the scandal that health insurance is in this country.
Insurance regulation, is not a complete take over power grab. Made only to control what you do as a human.
... Once they get the power to force people to have health insurance they can just throw the Constitution away because the end is in sight for it.
Remarkably bad logic, that getting health care for people amounts to trashing the Constitution. Please explain how we get from A to Z in one huge step (FYI, that's called a "leap of logic" in debating terms).
People are forced to carry auto insurance AND homeowners insurance but so far no one has sent that grand old parchment document to the recycle bin. Anyone making such unsubstantiated comments dooms themselves to not be taken seriously.
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Remarkably bad logic, that getting health care for people amounts to trashing the Constitution. Please explain how we get from A to Z in one huge step (FYI, that's called a "leap of logic" in debating terms).
People are forced to carry auto insurance AND homeowners insurance but so far no one has sent that grand old parchment document to the recycle bin. Anyone making such unsubstantiated comments dooms themselves to not be taken seriously.
If you're talking about your own logic, I agree - it's remarkably bad.
People are NOT forced to carry auto and homeowners insurance. Only people that drive autos and own homes are required to buy the insurance. There are MANY Americans that don't have either.
But you can't opt out of this one. I'm still waiting for someone to show me where in the Constitution is says I can be FORCED to pay for healthcare, just because I'm a US citizen? Waiting....waiting.....
Expensive and sad. They know that they don't have to have public option and so many other things they are seemingly letting go when they haven't taken out any of the "force everybody to have health insurance" still in there. Once they have swung that part it is just one step at a time till they take over completely and there won't be one damned thing we can do. Once they get the power to force people to have health insurance they can just throw the Constitution away because the end is in sight for it.
There's something I plan to do - stop paying taxes. I'll work for myself, and just won't pay. And if they find out, I'll just pay what I owe, with no penalties. Good enough for Turbo Tax Tim, good enough for me! They can throw me in jail, but they can't threaten me with jail if I don't pay - I'm a citizen.
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