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I am no pro-lifer but I don't think it is about taking away a womans choice or about knowing what is best for here. It is about trying to get woman to understand that they have to be more responsible and not use abortion as birth control. I do admit there are some that are way to extreme and want no abortion EVER that is just unrealistic but what bothers most I think is when woman use abortion as birth control.
I think women using abortion as a means of birth control bothers everyone, but taking it away is not going to decrease the incidence of unplanned pregnancy sadly.
If people were serious about decreasing the numbers of unplanned pregnancies, particularily in teens, I would hope to see blitz campaigns in high schools, and in the media. Where are the outraged parents demanding more sex ed for their kids, better access for reproductive health issues. Instead we have parents telling us "SShhh, don't tell them about sex, otherwise they'll want to run out and bonk like bunnies". Guess what, they are running out and bonking like bunnies without the education to protect themselves and therefore unable to make good choices.
What bothers me most about the pro-life organizations is that they spend an inordinate amount of time and energy on anti-abortion material, posters, billboards, ads, websites. And they expend a lot of energy preventing Planned Parenthood from doing their job preventing pregnancy. A miniscule percentage of PP's services revolve around terminations, most revolves around pregnancy preventions, but they can't even do that because they have loons outside preventing our sexually active teens from getting the guidance and education they obviously so desperately need. The results of abstinence programs are inconsistent, but that seems to be it for a lot of pro-lifers. Why are pro-life organizations not working tirelessly to prevent pregnancies? Why has pro-life become synonymous with abstinence programs which are not working well? Why don't they open their own clinics instead of messing with PP, clinics where they can offer education and reproductive care just as PP does excluding the terminations, include abstinence programs too if they want, focus on adoptions?
Why are the pro-life organizations so hell-bent on preventing other organizations from doing something about unplanned pregnancies, when they do nothing meaningful about it themselves?
I always find it interesting when discussing the abortion issue with prolifers, to find that most of them believe in the death penalty- so life is sacred only up to a point I guess-
they only care about babies as long as they are in the woman ... once they are out ... they are fair game.
It is simple but you're not getting it. If you are Pro-Choice you support ALL the choices available, not just abortion. To say someone is pro-abortion excludes the other choices that encompass the Pro-Choice doctrine. The labels 'pro-choice' and 'pro-abortion' are simply not interchangeable no matter how much you wish it was for propaganda purposes.
Pro Abortion means you support the use of abortion.
If people were serious about decreasing the numbers of unplanned pregnancies, particularily in teens, I would hope to see blitz campaigns in high schools, and in the media. Where are the outraged parents demanding more sex ed for their kids, better access for reproductive health issues. Instead we have parents telling us "SShhh, don't tell them about sex, otherwise they'll want to run out and bonk like bunnies". Guess what, they are running out and bonking like bunnies without the education to protect themselves and therefore unable to make good choices.
What bothers me most about the pro-life organizations is that they spend an inordinate amount of time and energy on anti-abortion material, posters, billboards, ads, websites. And they expend a lot of energy preventing Planned Parenthood from doing their job preventing pregnancy. A miniscule percentage of PP's services revolve around terminations, most revolves around pregnancy preventions, but they can't even do that because they have loons outside preventing our sexually active teens from getting the guidance and education they obviously so desperately need. The results of abstinence programs are inconsistent, but that seems to be it for a lot of pro-lifers. Why are pro-life organizations not working tirelessly to prevent pregnancies? Why has pro-life become synonymous with abstinence programs which are not working well? Why don't they open their own clinics instead of messing with PP, clinics where they can offer education and reproductive care just as PP does excluding the terminations, include abstinence programs too if they want, focus on adoptions?
Why are the pro-life organizations so hell-bent on preventing other organizations from doing something about unplanned pregnancies, when they do nothing meaningful about it themselves?
i am very much for Sex Ed, Free Condoms the use of birth control , even the morning after pill. killing 49 million is what I am against
Does not change the fact if you are pro choice you are pro abortion
i am very much for Sex Ed, Free Condoms the use of birth control , even the morning after pill. killing 49 million is what I am against
Then you are pro-choice, since you are such a stickler for the correct terminology. Once you condone the use of the morning-after pill, your position moves from pro-life to pro-choice.
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Does not change the fact if you are pro choice you are pro abortion
You can call me anything you like, it doesn't make it so. You are discussing this as though I am completely ignorant of the word games involved here. The term pro-abortion" has become the catch phrase used against pro-choice supporters by many pro-life organizations. It is used as a slur, but it is also used to deflect the hypocrisy of the pro-life stance. As I already mentioned you are either against all abortion and termination of life, or you are not. Any caveat puts you in the pro-choice camp. Why people are so offended by this notion is beyond me. Women make choices about hair styles, careers, shoes, marriage, but now it's supposed to be somehow demeaning to label them pro-choice when it comes the most important decision of their life. I would far rather women make an wise educated choice that has such widespread ramifications, than blindly follow what a label tells them to do with disasterous results. All reproductive choices are pro-choice, being against abortion is just one choice.
Pro Abortion means you support the use of abortion.
as zim just posted. "pro abortion" is just a word game. talk about childish and a way to try to deflect from the real issue. do you want to be considered anti choice? that is what you are if you do not want a woman to have a choice to give birth. not very pro life of you.
Then you are pro-choice, since you are such a stickler for the correct terminology. Once you condone the use of the morning-after pill, your position moves from pro-life to pro-choice.
Exactly right! A person can be against abortion at different stages of development and still be Pro-Choice. There is no such thing as pro-abortion. And there is no such thing as a pro-lifer who thinks the morning-after pill is okay i.e. allowing that choice automatically makes them Pro-Choice.
Then you are pro-choice, since you are such a stickler for the correct terminology. Once you condone the use of the morning-after pill, your position moves from pro-life to pro-choice.
You can call me anything you like, it doesn't make it so. You are discussing this as though I am completely ignorant of the word games involved here. The term pro-abortion" has become the catch phrase used against pro-choice supporters by many pro-life organizations. It is used as a slur, but it is also used to deflect the hypocrisy of the pro-life stance. As I already mentioned you are either against all abortion and termination of life, or you are not. Any caveat puts you in the pro-choice camp. Why people are so offended by this notion is beyond me. Women make choices about hair styles, careers, shoes, marriage, but now it's supposed to be somehow demeaning to label them pro-choice when it comes the most important decision of their life. I would far rather women make an wise educated choice that has such widespread ramifications, than blindly follow what a label tells them to do with disasterous results. All reproductive choices are pro-choice, being against abortion is just one choice.
I am not pro abortion you are incorect. Pro choice is about the use of abortion. If you have not notices im not pro abortion
Exactly right! A person can be against abortion at different stages of development and still be Pro-Choice. There is no such thing as pro-abortion. And there is no such thing as a pro-lifer who thinks the morning-after pill is okay i.e. allowing that choice automatically makes them Pro-Choice.
If you are for the use of abortion you are pro abortion.
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