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First if you are pro choice you are for the use of abortion, if you are the use of abortion you are pro abortion. You can try Orwellian news speak all you want but pro choice is by its definition pro abortion.
Only in Orwell's book 18 84 can you say you are for abortion but you are against abortion. either you favor the use of abortion or you do not.
just as one can not be sorta virgin, either you are for the use of abortion or you are not. If you are for abortion you are pro abortion.
I do not speak Orwellian new speak where the citizens can say they are for abortion but they are against it.
So if you want to have a discussion on abortion then speak as it is not with some new speak terminology that makes no sense in a book or real life.
if you were against abortion you would be pro life.
I've got to say it's extremely frustrating to try and have an intelligent debate on reproductive rights on this board. I would be more than happy to debate with you, but you tend to focus on one particular issue, and completely dominate the discussion repeating the same thing over and over. I can read, and I understand what you are saying with regard to your opinion of the term pro-abortion, but I don't agree, and it's unlikely I ever will. The more you go on about it is not going to make any difference. There are many facets to this discussion, and it would be great to be able to discuss them, so can we please move along. I have never met a pro-choice supporter who would not take exception to the term pro-abortion. You may think it is a very clever little term, but it's not. I have always tried to maintain a civil debate with you, but you are seriously trying my patience.
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It's funny to read some of these posts. It seems that some of the Pro-Life people think that the Pro-Choice women get abortions for fun. Like, we are going to the movies, then get an abortion, then go out for drinks afterwards.
Abortions are a horrible thing, it's not something that most women go into lightly. The key is that it should be their decision, not someone elses. Nobody wants to be in the situation where they have to make that decision, but there are unwanted pregnancies. That's a fact of life.
I am just creating this thread because I have been seeing some "pro lifers" crying about how these godless liberals have abortions and how liberals are just putting themselves into extinction. I just love it when "prolifers" post "I wish liberals would just perform late term abortions on themselves".
Whoa! Don't let your life loving "prolife" colors come out!!!
I know of TWO conservative women who had abortions and I am sure there are many many many more conservative women who have.
And no conservative EVER had an abortion, right? Only liberals.
Come on "prolifers". Admit it. Conservatives have abortions too.
*chuckle*...I have never heard a conservative claim that...but if they have...I'm with you...GET EM!
Let's say your 12 year old daughter was raped by a mental defective who was a product of incest, and became pregnant. You would make her carry the baby? You would like the government to force her to carry the baby?
Even though I can't think of too many circumstances in which I would get an abortion, I'm sure that some exist, and so I remain prochoice, but anti abortion. I do not see how this is hard to understand.
First we kill the pedophile then we abort the pregnancy. No hypocrisy.
It's funny to read some of these posts. It seems that some of the Pro-Life people think that the Pro-Choice women get abortions for fun. Like, we are going to the movies, then get an abortion, then go out for drinks afterwards.
Abortions are a horrible thing, it's not something that most women go into lightly. The key is that it should be their decision, not someone elses. Nobody wants to be in the situation where they have to make that decision, but there are unwanted pregnancies. That's a fact of life.
The failure rate for modern contraceptives is less than 2%. A pregnancy that occurs while using contraceptives is "unwanted". A pregnancy that results after unprotected sex is "undesired". Let's be clear of the facts.
A women who is using contraceptives and ends up pregnant is in a completely different categoy than the women who isn't.
The failure rate for modern contraceptives is less than 2%. A pregnancy that occurs while using contraceptives is "unwanted". A pregnancy that results after unprotected sex is "undesired". Let's be clear of the facts.
A women who is using contraceptives and ends up pregnant is in a completely different categoy than the women who isn't.
How does that really change my post? People have unprotected sex. It may not be a wise decision, but it still happens and it sometimes results in a pregnancy.
Are you saying that we should allow for abortions for women who use contraceptives, but don't allow them if they haven't taken protective measures?
First if you are pro choice you are for the use of abortion, if you are the use of abortion you are pro abortion. You can try Orwellian news speak all you want but pro choice is by its definition pro abortion.
Only in Orwell's book 18 84 can you say you are for abortion but you are against abortion. either you favor the use of abortion or you do not.
just as one can not be sorta virgin, either you are for the use of abortion or you are not. If you are for abortion you are pro abortion.
I do not speak Orwellian new speak where the citizens can say they are for abortion but they are against it.
So if you want to have a discussion on abortion then speak as it is not with some new speak terminology that makes no sense in a book or real life.
if you were against abortion you would be pro life.
I don't know what your repeated references to Orwell (btw. it's 1984) are meant to accomplish, but I guess you'd like to infer some fascist, controlling regime that in this case slaughters helpless babies.
You're free to use whatever analogies you might think of, be they illogical or completely asinine, I have finally given up trying to talk to you as I would to a person with a basic grasp of logic.
Good luck on your crusade against abortion, don't let the hypocrisy bite you in the a*%
I've got to say it's extremely frustrating to try and have an intelligent debate on reproductive rights on this board. I would be more than happy to debate with you, but you tend to focus one one particular issue, and completely dominate the discussion repeating the same thing over and over. I can read, and I understand what you are saying with regard to your opinion of the term pro-abortion, but I don't agree, and it's unlikely I ever will. The more you go on about it is not going to make any difference. There are many facets to this discussion, and it would be great to be able to discuss them, so can we please move along. I have never met a pro-choice supporter who would not take exception to the term pro-abortion. You may think it is a very clever little term, but it's not. I have always tried to maintain a civil debate with you, but you are seriously trying my patience.
I agree it is difficult to debate when the pro abortionist hide behind semantics. You want me to somehow agree that pro choice is somehow not pro abortion. If you are anti abortion you are pro life and I am proud to use the term pro life or anti abortion. you deny the term pro abortion for pro choice because the term pro abortion is slap of reality. If you are on the pro choice side you support the use of abortions. So the term pro abortion is much closer to reality then trying to hide behind the warm and fuzzy term the pro abortionists like to use.
If you want to debate issues then do so if you want to play Orwellian new speak i will keep bringing it up.
I have also always treated everyone with respect, even those who deny and try to change the meanings of words.
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I don't know what your repeated references to Orwell (btw. it's 1984) are meant to accomplish, but I guess you'd like to infer some fascist, controlling regime that in this case slaughters helpless babies.
You're free to use whatever analogies you might think of, be they illogical or completely asinine, I have finally given up trying to talk to you as I would to a person with a basic grasp of logic.
Good luck on your crusade against abortion, don't let the hypocrisy bite you in the a*%
The hypocrisy is form the pro abortionist.
the reference to 1984 is the new speak used in the book such as pro choice = anti abortion
Abortion is the woman's decision and no one else’s. It must be legal and safe.
At one time it was available on a class basis and effectively restricted to the upper class women that could afford to travel to a place where abortion was legal. This was a major class privilege and the change to legal and relatively safe abortion to the lower classes has be a source of great resentment to the wealthier traditional conservatives. After all, what good is money if it doesn’t buy privilege?
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