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I always find it interesting when discussing the abortion issue with prolifers, to find that most of them believe in the death penalty- so life is sacred only up to a point I guess-
Yep. Or unless you are gay. That is how "prolife" they are.
CrazyFace, thanks for the Barry Goldwater (BG) info. I've said many times in these threads that BG often stated his pride in knowing that his wife worked for Planned Parenthood. If people would PLAN their lives, including the use of birth control, we'd need almost no abortions. BG nailed it correctly, THIRTY years ago, about the undue influence of the religious right in our politics, and we've been suffering gridlock on many issues ever since.
I also agree with TXb that abortion is used as a red herring to distract us while the pols fill the tax code with loopholes for cronies and write policies that provide massive subsidies for entire industries (ethanol being my favorite poster child for stupid subsidies). Gay marriage is another famous red herring distraction that Bush used to appease the religious zealots and keep people's eyes off of the U. S. Treasure being looted for 8 years.
I don't "like" abortion, but it needs to stay legal. It's primarily an economic decision for the women/couples. Although Catholics (like most people) do not like abortion, they DO like birth control and use it a lot, which is why Italy has the LOWEST birthrate in Europe, about HALF of population replacement levels. Virtually EVERYONE practices birth control today, too bad that too many inner city and rural poor don't have the funds for it. I wish we could reach all the youngsters with good sex ed, birth control and economic info so they'd take care to not get pregnant. We are moving in that direction, but too slowly for me, and we're having to do it over the objections of the religious right, who want to stop sex ed and birth control for reasons that make little sense to me.
There are plenty of girls in conservative families having abortions, and plenty of gays in conservative homes too.
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Abortion is not an issue to a lot of conservatives. Personally, I think its wrong, but it isn't even on my list of things that I look at with a politician. Republicans use it as bait to rally the religous base every election, then do nothing about it. Dems use it as bait swearing that if Reps get elected abortions will be banned, knowing damn good and well its not going to happen. Its a distraction issue IMO, that is it.
Proof that the Republican's only use abortion as an emotional issue to rally the masses is found in this little tidbit of fact: They controlled both Houses of Congress and the White House for 6 years. Not once during that time...NOT ONCE....did they introduce a bill to overturn Roe v Wade. Not once!
I am just creating this thread because I have been seeing some "pro lifers" crying about how these godless liberals have abortions and how liberals are just putting themselves into extinction. I just love it when "prolifers" post "I wish liberals would just perform late term abortions on themselves".
Whoa! Don't let your life loving "prolife" colors come out!!!
I know of TWO conservative women who had abortions and I am sure there are many many many more conservative women who have.
And no conservative EVER had an abortion, right? Only liberals.
Come on "prolifers". Admit it. Conservatives have abortions too.
Proof that the Republican's only use abortion as an emotional issue to rally the masses is found in this little tidbit of fact: They controlled both Houses of Congress and the White House for 6 years. Not once during that time...NOT ONCE....did they introduce a bill to overturn Roe v Wade. Not once!
Truer words never spoken. The idiot Bush and his band of thieves had only ONE agenda, raping the U.S.Treasury and taxpayer.
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"By the 1980s, with Ronald Reagan as president and the growing involvement of the religious right in conservative politics, Goldwater's libertarian views on personal issues were revealed; he believed that they were an integral part of true conservatism. Goldwater viewed abortion as a matter of personal choice, not intended for government intervention.[32]
As a passionate defender of personal liberty, he saw the religious right's views as an encroachment on personal privacy and individual liberties.[33] In his 1980 Senate reelection campaign, Goldwater won support from religious conservatives but in his final term voted consistently to uphold legalized abortion and, in 1981, gave a speech on how he was angry about the bullying of American politicians by religious organizations, and would 'fight them every step of the way'.[34]"
Don't confuse religious people who are politically conservative with the "religious right." That's a specific, organized, theonomist movement which does not include even a majority of Christians.
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I am just creating this thread because I have been seeing some "pro lifers" crying about how these godless liberals have abortions and how liberals are just putting themselves into extinction. I just love it when "prolifers" post "I wish liberals would just perform late term abortions on themselves".
Whoa! Don't let your life loving "prolife" colors come out!!!
I know of TWO conservative women who had abortions and I am sure there are many many many more conservative women who have.
And no conservative EVER had an abortion, right? Only liberals.
Come on "prolifers". Admit it. Conservatives have abortions too.
Not all conservatives are pro-life and not all liberals are pro-choice.
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Statistics indicate that perhaps as many as 40% of women sitting in church every Sunday have had an abortion.
I'm not sure about the 40% statistic but there are many women in church who has had abortions. The church I used to attend even had a post-abortion support group for women dealing with the emotional aftermath of abortions. I know of at least one person in my church who was open about an abortion she had when she was younger and how she deeply regretted it and often thought about what the child would have been like. That was a powerful testimony she gave that evening and one that I would never forget.
I'm not sure about the 40% statistic but there are many women in church who has had abortions. The church I used to attend even had a post-abortion support group for women dealing with the emotional aftermath of abortions. I know of at least one person in my church who was open about an abortion she had when she was younger and how she deeply regretted it and often thought about what the child would have been like. That was a powerful testimony she gave that evening and one that I would never forget.
It seems my memory may be getting flakey. I overstated the case by about half. However, it's still a pretty significant number and there very well may be those who were not Christian's when they had an abortion, but are now.
Do Christians Have Abortions?
The post-abortive are the largest demographic in our culture. An estimated 43% of women will have at least 1 abortion by the time they are 45 years old. In contrast, only one to three percent of the population could be considered exclusively homosexual. While you would think that the gay community is the largest people group in our culture, the post-abortive are really one of the largest subsets of people of our times.
Unfortunately, the Evangelical Christian community has not escaped the abortion choice. According to one George Barna survey, at least one in six women sitting in Evangelical Christian churches have had abortions. Over 200,000 or 18% of Christians each year choose abortion as the answer to an unplanned pregnancy.
In fact, many Christian parents, including members of the clergy, take their children for abortions to avoid the shame and disgrace that an unplanned pregnancy might bring their family.
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