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You people don't realixe that having hip surgery on a 100 year old who more than likely won't walk anymore anyway is pointless and wastes money. They have paid their dues I'm sure,but at what point do we stop the needless surgeries on elderly? And please,no one here is advocating rolling them in the woods to die. Oh,and those children being denied wheelchairs parnets pay taxes too,so what about that fact?
Again, your limited experience is showing to your embarassment.
While I did state that it is rare to see joint replacement surgeries on patients over 80 or so, they can and do occur (along with other surgeries)...based on the severity of the case and overall health of the patient.
I have seen more than my share of 40-60 year old patients who are wheelchair-bound, demented, paralyzed, or otherwise medically frail while also seeing patients well over 85 who are fully ambulatory, in full possession of their mental faculties, and live independently.
Whether each of those patients is cleared for surgery (and the type of surgery) is on a case-by-case basis and cannot be so conveniently generalized as you try to describe, based on age alone.
Furthermore, surgery is very different than DME (Durable Medical Equipment) such as wheelchairs and walkers.
I guess I do not understand--can't the child get medicaid? Even if it means the parents losing their home and all their money to qualify? Even the young adult could get medicaid and that makes all medical bills $0
Also as far as DNR--ultimately it is the patient who decides if able--either in advanced directives or orally themselves. My mother had to go on the vent twice this year both times she verbally said she wanted everything done possible to the Drs. even after being in a coma for 10 days who am I do go against her wishes. I had people by day 3 of the coma asking what I was planning to do (down to who to ask to be pal-bearers at her funeral)--even though it had been established that she had brain function. Luckily she came out of the coma and even though she is ill on and off has mentally fully recovered.
People like changing babies diapers but not the elderly. People forget that these are the people that changed our diapers and cared for us!
Just because you pay taxes doesn't mean you are entitled to a wheelchair. There goes one fact.
Well,just because you paid into ss and medicare doesn't mean you are entitled to unneccesary surgery and healthcare which costs more than you paid into the system during your whole working career.
Face it,they didn't put enough in the system at the time because they probaly didn't foresee all the tech advances so us youngsters now are paying more for them. They are sucking way more than what they put in(to all those saying they are entitiled to it)
What makes a child more precious than any other person.
Are not all people precious?
Why do you think you get to make that decision about another person's life?
good points in your posts, but I am afraid you are beating your head against a wall. wasted effort and band width. some rather play God and make decisions for you.
Well,just because you paid into ss and medicare doesn't mean you are entitled to unneccesary surgery and healthcare which costs more than you paid into the system during your whole working career.
Face it,they didn't put enough in the system at the time because they probaly didn't foresee all the tech advances so us youngsters now are paying more for them. They are sucking way more than what they put in(to all those saying they are entitiled to it)
If you paid into the system and you need a new knee, well guess what? Fact is plenty has been paid into the system, the government has spent it on other things and left a rain check.
Medicare really isn't problem.
Well,just because you paid into ss and medicare doesn't mean you are entitled to unneccesary surgery and healthcare which costs more than you paid into the system during your whole working career.
Face it,they didn't put enough in the system at the time because they probaly didn't foresee all the tech advances so us youngsters now are paying more for them. They are sucking way more than what they put in(to all those saying they are entitiled to it)
makes me wish I could see you when you are older, technology advances, you have an illness and someone makes the decision for you to throw you out with the bath water.
Again, your limited experience is showing to your embarassment.
While I did state that it is rare to see joint replacement surgeries on patients over 80 or so, they can and do occur (along with other surgeries)...based on the severity of the case and overall health of the patient.
I have seen more than my share of 40-60 year old patients who are wheelch yetair-bound, demented, paralyzed, or otherwise medically frail while also seeing patients well over 85 who are fully ambulatory, in full possession of their mental faculties, and live independently.
Whether each of those patients is cleared for surgery (and the type of surgery) is on a case-by-case basis and cannot be so conveniently generalized as you try to describe, based on age alone.
Furthermore, surgery is very different than DME (Durable Medical Equipment) such as wheelchairs and walkers.
Listen this is not the nurse website so I have to explain in terms the lay people would understand. I could give real life scenarios but they won't Probably understand. But if u like one how about the 100 year old demented lady who needs total care and can't ambulate,eat and do anything for herself and yet whose fam insists she get knee surgery? I started out in a ltc facility and the expectations can get unreal
I was scheduled to have a sonogram on my carotid artery tomorrow but since it costs money and I am past your age of 75 I will call and tell them I am too old to be wasting their time and will then go out on the highway and lie down in front of a semi-truck. The damned fool driver would probably try to miss and wreck his rig so maybe I better sit around a think of a better way to take my life. I am a coward about suicide since I know a man who managed to blow off his jaw and cheekbone along with that side of his face but did a poor job and had to live for years without what he blew away.
When do you think the death panels will be in effect? Maybe they can take care of my problem.
I don't have a problem with the surgery you are getting. But to be honest,I would have aproblem with you getting a kidney transplant. No ever said death panel, I just said unneccesary surgery and tests.
Listen this is not the nurse website so I have to explain in terms the lay people would understand. I could give real life scenarios but they won't Probably understand. But if u like one how about the 100 year old demented lady who needs total care and can't ambulate,eat and do anything for herself and yet whose fam insists she get knee surgery? I started out in a ltc facility and the expectations can get unreal
You state this like it is the norm, if it occurs at all.
How about some stats on this type of surgery being performed?
And again, I'll ask: what makes you think you have the right to make the decision of who lives or dies?
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I don't have a problem with the surgery you are getting. But to be honest,I would have aproblem with you getting a kidney transplant. No ever said death panel, I just said unneccesary surgery and tests.
So you would let this man die because you think he's not valuable?
What gives you the right to make that decision?
Why do you think that this is your call?
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