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Old 12-09-2021, 05:44 AM
 
Location: Morrisville, NC
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I was kind of surprised at the amount of downtime for D&B but I guess it would take some time to relocate and set up all the machines. Some of them are pretty complicated and need to be broken down into pieces to move.
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Old 12-09-2021, 05:57 AM
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WRAL article on the demo filing. Mentions that Dave and Buster’s is planning to close in the mall on January 2 and reopen in the Jumpstreet space around January 17.
That building keeps chugging along with tenants. Teeter, Jump Street, now D&B.
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Old 12-09-2021, 06:43 AM
 
Location: Cary, NC
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That building keeps chugging along with tenants. Teeter, Jump Street, now D&B.
Originally Big Star before HT bought them out.
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Old 12-14-2021, 08:43 AM
 
Location: Cary, NC
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More info on the rezoning is now available ahead of the town council meeting. Things are still quite vague with the PDP, but so far it looks very disappointing, maintaining the existing street pattern including the loop road, but it will eventually all be closed off as private.

I was prepared to be underwhelmed, but this is bad. I imagine the council will push back on this plan, but hopefully the power of Epic and the desire to just get something done at CTC won't win out.

https://carync.iqm2.com/Citizens/Det...4661&CssClass=
https://carync.iqm2.com/Citizens/Det...g.aspx?ID=5217
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Old 12-14-2021, 09:18 AM
 
Location: Cary, NC
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More info on the rezoning is now available ahead of the town council meeting. Things are still quite vague with the PDP, but so far it looks very disappointing, maintaining the existing street pattern including the loop road, but it will eventually all be closed off as private.

I was prepared to be underwhelmed, but this is bad. I imagine the council will push back on this plan, but hopefully the power of Epic and the desire to just get something done at CTC won't win out.

https://carync.iqm2.com/Citizens/Det...4661&CssClass=
https://carync.iqm2.com/Citizens/Det...g.aspx?ID=5217
I didn't expect to be excited, so, eh.
Mixed Use, even of the generic modeling of Turnbridge would certainly be better for the Town.

Controlled access? I suppose.
SAS has private streets with guard shacks. No problem.
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Old 12-14-2021, 09:40 AM
 
Location: Cary, NC
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Controlled access? I suppose.
SAS has private streets with guard shacks. No problem.
That's a major problem for this project. SAS is an island unto itself that serves as a barrier for connectivity and community. Fortunately there's not much on the Trinity side, so it's not a major hindrance other than making it harder to drive from one side to the other.

This is going to be the same thing, but far worse since it's surrounded on three sides by active uses that would greatly benefit from connectivity.

Access to TAC will be from one direction only, the greenway that was supposed to cut through between the site and Ivy Meadows will instead be along busy streets at the outside perimeter...it's really bad.
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Old 12-14-2021, 09:42 AM
 
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No, this is unacceptable. It forever cements a barrier to connectivity in the town. This part of Cary has wretched connectivity as it is. There are no road connections and only a single greenway connection between Kildaire and Walnut between Cary Parkway and Highway 64. This does the exact same thing, only without even the greenway connection! between Cary Town Center Blvd and Walnut. This town is over reliant on huge arterials to get around and this makes it worse.

A new public street along the eastern edge of the property seems like it would be reasonable, and was called for in the previous rezoning, so I hope the town can take a stand and demand it, but I'm not sure if they have the leverage to do this.

But to not propose, not mention, nor even accommodate in any way whatsoever a greenway along the eastern edge of the property, when such has been in the Town's plan for *decades* is an enormous finger in the eye of the town and every single one of it's residents, all in the name of the ego of Tim Sweeney.

Unacceptable.

At the absolute, bare minimum, Epic should be required to *build* this greenway, as every other developer in town is required to do when they rezone their property.

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Old 12-14-2021, 09:45 AM
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I didn't expect to be excited, so, eh.
Mixed Use, even of the generic modeling of Turnbridge would certainly be better for the Town.

Controlled access? I suppose.
SAS has private streets with guard shacks. No problem.
Yeah it sucks as this giant parcel is basically off the table now for public use but at the same time when Epic bought it, they gained the right to do as they please with it. The same private road concept is typical to a lot of corporate campuses here and in Silicon Valley. I don't necessarily agree with any of this btw, nor do I think that this is a smart approach to urban development or land use.

I know Epic has long has a problem at their current location of "fans" just randomly showing up trying to peer into windows and having to be escorted off their property. So I imagine they want to limit access at their new campus.

If anything we'll likely see that entire area get a huge injection of nature and the giant swaths of asphalt go away. Considering Tim Sweeney has a conservation mindset.
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Old 12-14-2021, 09:48 AM
 
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Yeah it sucks as this giant parcel is basically off the table now for public use but at the same time when Epic bought it, they gained the right to do as they please with it. The same private road concept is typical to a lot of corporate campuses here and in Silicon Valley.
They do *not* have unlimited rights to do with this as they please. They do *not* have entitlements to build what they propose as of today (which is why they are going through the PD process). The town *CAN* force them to include public roads, public greenways, etc, as a condition of approval. They already do this every time a new subdivision is proposed. I don't see why Epic should be any different.

I am not saying they can, or should, be required to duplicate the previous street grid plan from Carolina Yards. I understand and appreciate their need for a private campus. But a public street and/or greenway along the eastern perimeter is a reasonable public accommodation for the town to require.

Epic has proposed for the eastern side of their property to be "private with controlled access" because it will probably make it cheaper or easier for them to maintain a secure perimeter if there isn't any public right-of-way along the eastern side of their proprety. While I understand their reasons for asking this, they're basically taking a sh*t on the town to save some money on hiring security guards. So, they can go to hell.
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Old 12-14-2021, 09:49 AM
 
Location: Cary, NC
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If anything we'll likely see that entire area get a huge injection of nature and the giant swaths of asphalt go away. Considering Tim Sweeney has a conservation mindset.
And yet, the proposal only mentions a 10% reduction in impervious surface, which is what was projected under the previous mixed-use proposal that involved significantly more square footage.
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