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Old 08-23-2023, 07:33 PM
 
Location: Raleigh
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According to this WRAL article, damaging or destroying a political sign is a Class 3 misdemeanor and can result in a fine, community service or jail time.
There is no question that what this man did was wrong, and he will pay a price. I am glad that he was caught. However, it is obvious that he only intended to damage / destroy the sign and nothing else on the property. If he has a clean record, he will get a slap on the wrist; a fine and maybe some community service. End of the criminal charges.

John "Richie Rich" Kane Jr is out for blood. Asking for a jury trial for the civil case is completely unwarranted in this situation, and it may work against him if the jury thinks that he is using his wealth just to make this man's life miserable. Some of the jurists may even agree with what the "cyclist" did.
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Old 08-23-2023, 09:30 PM
 
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I think this particular case is being prosecuted appropriately. And don't underestimate the sudden turn for the worse that this moron's life will soon be taking or the stupidity that brought it about. Castle Doctrine or not, people get shot for less every day and there's simply no way to know in advance how a particular apoplectic homeowner will react to this sort of idiocy. Staying off of private property with cigarette lighters is a very good way of not finding out.

This I can agree with 100%.
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Old 08-23-2023, 09:35 PM
 
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According to this WRAL article, damaging or destroying a political sign is a Class 3 misdemeanor and can result in a fine, community service or jail time.

What he eventually did was to destroy a sign, which I would agree is a fairly minuscule offense. Had he stolen the sign, or ripped up the sign, I wouldn't get nearly as bent out of shape. It's when you've got a repeat offender starting fires with no means of putting it down should it get out of hand that I'm a big proponent for ask intentions later and stop the problem first. The choice of kindling doesn't really matter.


Many a criminal is stopped not by intention or moral compass but by their own stupidity.
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Old 08-23-2023, 10:06 PM
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Location: Raleigh, NC
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There is no question that what this man did was wrong, and he will pay a price. I am glad that he was caught. However, it is obvious that he only intended to damage / destroy the sign and nothing else on the property. If he has a clean record, he will get a slap on the wrist; a fine and maybe some community service. End of the criminal charges.

John "Richie Rich" Kane Jr is out for blood. Asking for a jury trial for the civil case is completely unwarranted in this situation, and it may work against him if the jury thinks that he is using his wealth just to make this man's life miserable. Some of the jurists may even agree with what the "cyclist" did.
I don't see the benefit of a jury trial, but I'm pretty sure the plaintiff will win out over the defendant here. The evidence is conclusive, and the defendant has already admitted guilt.
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Old 08-23-2023, 10:16 PM
 
Location: Raleigh
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I don't see the benefit of a jury trial, but I'm pretty sure the plaintiff will win out over the defendant here. The evidence is conclusive, and the defendant has already admitted guilt.
Don't bet on it. The defendant will claim that he was triggered over the sign. I am surprised that "Richie Rich" is pursuing this route.
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Old 08-23-2023, 11:45 PM
 
Location: My House
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Charges have now been filed.

https://legacy.wral.com/man-charged-...yard/21010625/
"James Dennis White was charged with two counts of damage to real property in relation to the incident."
This seems reasonable and in line with what I expected for this minor crime.
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Old 08-24-2023, 05:01 AM
 
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This seems reasonable and in line with what I expected for this minor crime.
One thing's for certain, Mr. James White Jr. will never again attempt to suppress another's right to freedom of expression through destruction of personal property. Public humiliation and criminal charges work wonders toward the tolerance of opinions other than one's own, and for this we have Mr. Kane, local law enforcement and our criminal justice system to thank. This is how it's supposed to work in a democratic society. Most of us are sophisticated enough to understand this, and others we need to teach.

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Old 08-24-2023, 05:37 AM
 
Location: U.S.A.
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What he eventually did was to destroy a sign, which I would agree is a fairly minuscule offense. Had he stolen the sign, or ripped up the sign, I wouldn't get nearly as bent out of shape. It's when you've got a repeat offender starting fires with no means of putting it down should it get out of hand that I'm a big proponent for ask intentions later and stop the problem first. The choice of kindling doesn't really matter.



I agree. And after watching Maui burn to a crisp, I have a different opinion on people setting fires..this really freaks me out.
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Old 08-24-2023, 05:57 AM
 
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He doesn't appear to believe in the justice system or a democratic society with a "Trump won" sign in 2023 after he lost 60+ court cases and there was no widespread evidence of voter fraud.
This is completey irrelevant, and I suspect that you understand this. We're all free to express our own opinions within a legal framework, but not to interfere with the expression by others of opinions with which we personally disagree. This I can only HOPE that you understand. And please realize that a similar sign on Mr. Kane's property, this one merely endorsing a Trump presidency, was vandalized three times as well. Anything else?

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Old 08-24-2023, 06:12 AM
 
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Liking or not liking Trump is hardly relevant to the discussion.
But, I would still suggest "arson" is being overworked, which certainly does not make the guy right to burn the sign. I don't see him being charged with a felony for stupid behavior.

https://www.ncleg.gov/Sessions/2021/...PDF/H315v6.pdf
It seems that "intent" is a material consideration in defining an act as arson.

And, more reading:
https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/arson

I am a bit curious what the basis was for the City to ask Young Kane repeatedly to remove the sign?
But, those requests and my curiosity are also certainly not grounds to justify vandalism.
I foresee misdemeanor vandalism charges and a scion with means to lawyer up making a splashy civil case of it.

The whole sordid episode certainly does expose an interesting list of whackadoodle Big Lie conspiracy aficionados, however.
"Liking or not liking Trump is hardly relevant to the discussion". Thank you.
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