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How true is that statement. I realize most women hate it when a man cries unless they are really in love with him.
I have certainly seen nothing at all to think there is any truth to the general statement. But this is true of all baseless generalisation of an entire sex. Women are individuals. What one likes - the next might hate. What one respects - the next might not.
So when I see someone come out with a vast generalisation like the OP title here - it is pretty clear they are talking nonsense. Perhaps you personally knew a few women who lost respect for you crying - but lets not extrapolate a few personal anecdotes into a generalisation about the sex as a whole. It is more likely related to the kind of women you choose to spend time with.
I have certainly seen nothing at all to think there is any truth to the general statement. But this is true of all baseless generalisation of an entire sex. Women are individuals. What one likes - the next might hate. What one respects - the next might not.
So when I see someone come out with a vast generalisation like the OP title here - it is pretty clear they are talking nonsense. Perhaps you personally knew a few women who lost respect for you crying - but lets not extrapolate a few personal anecdotes into a generalisation about the sex as a whole. It is more likely related to the kind of women you choose to spend time with.
So I suppose, then we can never discuss men, women or humans in general? Saying that its cold in the winter, is still an accurate statement even if there are a couple of warm days, isnt it? With your approach, there would never be any debate or progress made, because not all women are the same...BLAH
So I suppose, then we can never discuss men, women or humans in general? Saying that its cold in the winter, is still an accurate statement even if there are a couple of warm days, isnt it? With your approach, there would never be any debate or progress made, because not all women are the same...BLAH
Not what I said. I am talking about subjective aspects not objective ones. When someone comes out with "Women do not like X" or "If you want a woman to like you do X" that is a generalisation.
Not what I said. I am talking about subjective aspects not objective ones. When someone comes out with "Women do not like X" or "If you want a woman to like you do X" that is a generalisation.
So, just think of it as "most" not "all". Wouldnt it be accurate to say that women like confident men? Or that men like beautiful women? I guess there may be a one man on this planet who likes em ugly and dirty, so the whole argument must be flawed?
So, just think of it as "most" not "all". Wouldnt it be accurate to say that women like confident men? Or that men like beautiful women? I guess there may be a one man on this planet who likes em ugly and dirty, so the whole argument must be flawed?
Actually you make my point for me here. Attractiveness of women is very subjective. What you call "ugly and dirty" others see beauty in. Look - for example - at how successful the "Big and Beautiful" type nude magazines and porn industry has been. While we think of the "majority" as being into slim lookers there is actually quite a large number of people who like them large and well endowed with body fat. So it is easy to say "All men like beautiful women" if you ignore the fact that "beautiful" means something different to each man.
We can of course find majority opinions and points of mass consensus if we cherry pick hard enough but generally speaking when you enter an area of complete subjectivity you can not make rash generalisations. I would not think it accurate to say therefore that "women like confident men". What each woman looks for in a man is as individual as they themselves are. Women are not machines that come off a production line with a set standard of men seeking criteria.
In fact I think if you go to a womens forum such as this one linked here and ask women if they like or do not like men who cry you will find the answers are a lot more divided than the OP of this thread thinks. Maybe one group of women will not like men who "show weakness and cry" but if you go over there and run a poll on it I think you will find an equal quantity are attracted to men who are "In touch with their feelings and not afraid to express them".
That's interesting. I've known quite a few Polynesian men who cry freely. I once knew a Samoan guy who started bawling like a baby when he (physically) disciplined his teenage son for stealing.
Maybe it's more country specific then. There are many Polynesians in NZ and the general culture is very macho.
NZ has a stiff upper lip mentality inherited from the English. It may be changing but I have always found NZ men pretty stoic and tough.
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Maybe it's more country specific then. There are many Polynesians in NZ and the general culture is very macho.
NZ has a stiff upper lip mentality inherited from the English. It may be changing but I have always found NZ men pretty stoic and tough.
Scottish, too.
I would say American men actually do seem a bit more sensitive with their feelings than Australian men. Although in the cities that is changing. It depends on the crowd you hang around with. There are still a lot of blokey blokes, but there are many men in touch with their feelings, and not all of them are 'metrosexual' or gay.
Maybe it's more country specific then. There are many Polynesians in NZ and the general culture is very macho.
NZ has a stiff upper lip mentality inherited from the English. It may be changing but I have always found NZ men pretty stoic and tough.
It was one of the cases where it did hurt the father more than it hurt the son. My buddy felt betrayed by his kid (14) and was scared that he was going to be getting involved in gangs.
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