Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Relationships
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
 
Old 05-22-2008, 12:55 AM
 
2,546 posts, read 6,876,903 times
Reputation: 2010

Advertisements

Quote:
Originally Posted by artsyguy View Post
Your highness. First let me say. You probably are very needy and perfectionistic.

The guy probably picked up on your overly needy and bossy vibes and decided against it. Or maybe he forgot or doesn't date too much and or doesn't hang out with women therefore is ignorant or inexperienced. If you liked him and he was a cool guy you would have hinted at it or requested it in a kind and flirty way. People also are not mind readers. They don't know how much you value being walked back to your car. I personally wouldn't care to walk you to your car unless you requested it.

I would never reject any guy for such a petty reason. Please get over yourself, your highness.
FYI- I don't consider myself royalty. So there is nothing to get over! I'm not any better or higher than anyone else in the world. I'm certainly not needy- I've been single far more than I have been in a relationship because I refuse to date a jerk. I'm not looking for perfection, no one is perfect anyway and I don't think I am expecting to much from a guy.
I shouldn't have to hint to a guy that I would like him to walk me back to my car. A gentlemen would do so without having to ask.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 05-22-2008, 01:43 AM
 
9,912 posts, read 13,905,675 times
Reputation: 7330
Quote:
Originally Posted by Autumn07 View Post
I wasn't rude or mean to the guy. I'm nice to everyone.
All I ask for is kindness and respect. I don't think that is asking for to much.
I wasn't implying that you were Autumn.

And I agree it's not too much to ask for kindness and respect.

I just meant in general, that's how I see it and how I am.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 05-22-2008, 02:31 AM
 
Location: Beaumont, Texas
539 posts, read 1,805,160 times
Reputation: 293
I don't think that women expect it anymore. One has to run to a door to beat a woman there in order to open it. I'm teaching my little nephews to always treat people with respect. They get mad when they open the door for a woman and she doesn't say "thank you". I have to explain to them that they're showing repect for themselves when they act civilized. The "thank you"s from a lady always bring a grin to their faces. Chivalry, no.. Civility.. (sadly) yes.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 05-22-2008, 06:50 AM
 
Location: Texas
2,438 posts, read 7,014,271 times
Reputation: 1817
Quote:
Originally Posted by Autumn07 View Post
FYI- I don't consider myself royalty. So there is nothing to get over! I'm not any better or higher than anyone else in the world. I'm certainly not needy- I've been single far more than I have been in a relationship because I refuse to date a jerk. I'm not looking for perfection, no one is perfect anyway and I don't think I am expecting to much from a guy.
I shouldn't have to hint to a guy that I would like him to walk me back to my car. A gentlemen would do so without having to ask.
I would have to agree with you on that.. and I for one would walk over to open the doors and such things. But you have to understand that the men of the world are acting this way because the problem with the world is.. the women have forgotten how to be "ladies". The equal rights stuff has gotten to a point where they would rather kick your ass then act nice ... and god forbid if you are a gentleman.. woman would rather be with someone who will use and abuse them.. and then later drop them.. and guess what.. they move on to the next abuser... (I dont literally mean abuse though, I mean using them in the sexual way or whatever they can get out of the woman).

The nice guys (chivalrous) never act stupid (well almost never) and therefore are branded as "boring" and never get a chance with a lot of women. So in order to get a date with someone .. you actually have to act like an ******* to peak a woman's interest. You understand?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 05-22-2008, 08:53 AM
 
30,902 posts, read 33,017,046 times
Reputation: 26919
Quote:
Originally Posted by uglyblackjohn View Post
I don't think that women expect it anymore. One has to run to a door to beat a woman there in order to open it. I'm teaching my little nephews to always treat people with respect. They get mad when they open the door for a woman and she doesn't say "thank you". I have to explain to them that they're showing repect for themselves when they act civilized. The "thank you"s from a lady always bring a grin to their faces. Chivalry, no.. Civility.. (sadly) yes.
Chivalry is chivalry. You're either chivalrous, or you're not. If you truly are, and a woman makes the comments about not wanting a door open, then you're likely to smile and shrug and say, "Funny, that's just the way I am." You stand on your own principles and it doesn't matter whether it means you won't have a second date with that person! If you're truly chivalrous, do you want that person anyway??

The same goes for women, of course. You either like to do special things for a man, or you don't. If you do, then you do them whether you think you're going to get some kind of a "reward" or not.

People saying they decide whether or not to be polite, courteous, etc. based on what the other person does, aren't very firmly polite and courteous to begin with. They're just trying to do whatever will ensure that they get what they want out of it.

Not acting in a gentlemanly or ladylike way "because some people might not like it!" is an excuse for being who you really are--someone who doesn't want to be a gentleman or a lady. That's fine; there are non-gentlemen and non-ladies out there and you'll find one. But be honest and don't pin the blame on someone else's reactions. It's very transparent.

People who cry out the loudest about how there are "no gentlemen" or "no ladies" so "why try anyway?" are engaging in self-fulfilling prophecy. They either have outright acted/spoken in ways that prove they're not going to give one inch when it comes to courtesy, or their general demeanor, expression, swagger or what-have-you say it for them. Hence, the real gentlemen and real ladies are staying away from them and they are only attracting the "feminists" or brutes. Therefore it seems like "there is no chivalry/kindness any more!" It's human nature and again, some people don't *want* chivalry or gentle treatment from a male or a female. But for those who do, I can say from experience, look to yourself first to see why there don't seem to be any good people around. There are. They're just avoiding you because of your preconceived notions about *them*.

And dat's da troof.

Not to make this the world's longest post (or maybe it already is), but I should add that I've done this too. When I was very young, I would go overboard doing "nice things" for a boyfriend. But there was really an agenda. I wanted to be able to say, in what I thought was a subtle way, that "I did all this for you...and you can't do this one thing for me?" I thought I was being a "good person" but really I was being incredibly selfish. I had a motive. The opposite sex can sense this. They can also sense that you're lumping them in with "all men" or "all women" and who wants to be just part of a crowd? I'm sure that after the first time or two, the man was thinking, "She did something nice for me...I wonder what she wants out of it." So I really was attracting people who would be cynical and who would "prove" to me that men were selfish no matter "how much" I did for them. That's silly. And ridiculous.

When you start truly being yourself, and start seeing the opposite sex as not just All Men! or All Women!, that's when your chivalry or generosity, if you have them, start to come out.

Last edited by JerZ; 05-22-2008 at 09:23 AM..
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 05-22-2008, 09:31 AM
 
Location: in my imagination
13,608 posts, read 21,401,046 times
Reputation: 10112
Quote:
Originally Posted by sponger42 View Post
Most guys have their knightly moments, if they take the time to polish their armor.

."
actually it is usually more about polishing our helmet.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 05-22-2008, 09:44 AM
 
Location: syracuse ny
2,412 posts, read 5,085,375 times
Reputation: 2048
Quote:
Originally Posted by lionking View Post
actually it is usually more about polishing our helmet.
In my opinion it's just the opposite! More women are acting like Morgana lefay these days. And a heck of a lot less like a fairy princess. And for some weird reason all the hot chicks dig black knights, too!
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 05-22-2008, 09:48 AM
 
Location: NY
2,011 posts, read 3,879,974 times
Reputation: 918
Chivalry is dead and you know what killed it? The Women's rights movement! Yup that's right. Women want to treated just like men and make the same money, do the same jobs, etc. and they are correct for wanting that. But there's a downside of everything. They will be treated the same across the board. You can't have it both ways, sorry, Ladies.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 05-22-2008, 09:54 AM
 
Location: Ocean Shores, WA
5,092 posts, read 14,836,944 times
Reputation: 10865
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeepejeep View Post

You can't have it both ways, sorry, Ladies.
So to be treated politely and with respect women have to be subservient?

I doubt if my wife or my daughter would agree with that.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 05-22-2008, 10:37 AM
 
Location: USA
1,244 posts, read 3,226,618 times
Reputation: 807
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fat Freddy View Post
So to be treated politely and with respect women have to be subservient?

I doubt if my wife or my daughter would agree with that.
I know I don't agree with that, nor would my 15 year old daughter.

Don't get me wrong. I do believe in the traditional gender roles and that is a whole other subject and debate. While I believe in traditional gender roles, it does not mean the woman is to be barefoot, pregnant and silent in the kitchen or completely under her husbands thumb.

However, wanting to be treated politely and with respect has absolutely nothing to do with being a doormat. A woman can be, and should be an equal to her spouse, no less value as a human being, and still be treated as a lady.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:


Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Relationships
Similar Threads

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 12:22 AM.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top