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Old 08-16-2010, 11:02 AM
 
Location: Sarasota, Florida
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You have closed you mind to the truth!

The Westboro baptist ARE wrong. But homosexuality IS a sin!
If I were YOU.....I'd be more worried about breaking those TEN Commandments....With a divorce rate over 50%....there apparently is a lot of coveting going on. And with our ruthless Capitalistic system, that rewards lying and stealing and cheating folks...well there go a few more commandments broken.

YOU are basing your ignorance and judgement on HATE.....you do not know what I do in the privacy of my bedroom....nor frankly I do NOT understand why you even care. But let me assure you.....the ONE sexual act you all are so preoccupied with is not necessarily practiced by all gay males.....myself included!!!!. Get to know us......before you hate/judge us. And who cares if some gay males show their love in "that way". That is NOT my business nor yours..
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Old 08-16-2010, 11:08 AM
 
Location: Sarasota, Florida
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You have closed you mind to the truth!

The Westboro baptist ARE wrong. But homosexuality IS a sin!
I respectfully ask you.....WHAT is wrong with the behaviors of those Westboro folks?????? AND where do you assert their religion to be correct/justified in it's actions???? Please give specifics??? I have been totally open/honest in my posts.
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Old 08-16-2010, 11:16 AM
 
Location: Sarasota, Florida
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Fortuately, it sounds like your homosexuality hasn't caused you any REAL problems. Not like starving to death...or coming back from war a double amputee. THOSE are problems.

People have the RIGHT to their OPINION.

I eat animal and bird flesh. Some think it is HORRIBLE to kill animals and birds and eat them...and think I'm terrible for doing it. Some PETA people were picketing in front of the butcher shop the other day. They made snide remarks to me as I entered...and full-bore insults as I left. Like I care what they think...didn't bother me a bit. I have RIGHT to eat meat...they have their RIGHT to think I'm bad for it...and the RIGHT to say it.

I'm a former military man. As a Veteran I've had people call me a hell of a lot worse things than I'm sure you've ever been called. It's their OPINION to think I'm a "murderer", "warmonger, or a "paid killer". I guess in the strictest definition of the terms, they're right. WHATEVER! I don't lose a seconds sleep over it. I even have a T-Shirt that says, under the heading U.S. ARMY "There are very few problems that can't be solved with a rocket-launcher and the proper attitude"....it even has a picture of an M136 AT4 underlining the words "rocket-launcher". That always gets a few comments.

I view abortion as murder...outright infanticide. I've had women execute my children (against my fervent protests) for reasons as lame, as, "I'm too young", "I want to finish my post grad studies", and the best one--"I don't want to get stretch marks and ruin my figure". So, I am vocal against abortion...that's my perogative...and my RIGHT. Just like it was those womens' RIGHT to abort their children. We all have our RIGHT to think what we choose about it...AND to say what we think.

People have the RIGHT to their OPINION about homosexuality. I don't have any bias against homosexuals...and a lot of my close friends, and some of my relatives are homosexual. But I find the act (gender on gender sex) revolting, and disgusting. Funny thing is...I directly observe actual homosexual sex on a nightly basis, because I sell it as a show at a nightclub I own. So, I'm no "stuck up religious prude". MOF there is no "religious" basis for my viewpoint...it's just my OPINION that homosex is gross.

Bottom line...you know that some people find homosexuality "sick" and "depraved"...and regardless of it being an "involuntary inner urge"...will see you as "sick and depraved" for engaging in that conduct. It's not like prejudice against race, gender, or soldiers that were drafted...that isn't something you can choose to be/do, or not be/do. It's a matter of OPINION about an elective behavior. And people have the right to their OPINION...and the right to vocalize it. Others also have the RIGHT to think what they want of them for holding that OPINION...and to vocalize that as well.

I prefer tolerance and unbiased acceptance myself...but I also realize, that isn't the reality of the world.

ROFLMFAO...and YOU expect ME to take ANY of your post(s) seriously...GIVE ME A BREAK.....Practice what you preach and .
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Old 08-16-2010, 11:28 AM
 
Location: Sarasota, Florida
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big bang is not fact. it ignores huge amounts of conflicting info.
our current science tends to ignore new finds unless they support the dominate view of history.
Your post is just more JIBBERISH.....that is your style....I showed scores of links and videos......you just spew your usual nonsense; with NO links or videos...to back them up. I ask you??? What are your University credentials.......because you just talk rhetoric without facts or references......If you cannot answer ...then PLEASE stay out of the intellectual debate; because I "see" no worthy debating opponent.
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Old 08-16-2010, 11:36 AM
 
Location: Sarasota, Florida
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Of course I am. Everything that is not real was invented in the mind of man, and for reason at the time. The problem is that once man learned the real reason behind things he refused to give up the imaginary solution he invented in his mind. Seems that it is human nature that when an idea is born in fear, it is so hard to find the courage to question that idea.


Example:
  • Man sees the sun come up every day.
  • Man recognizes he needs it to see, for warmth.
  • Man doesn't know why it come up, not a clue.
  • Man invents an unseen deity that does it.
  • Now man worries, what if I make this unseen deity mad and it withholds the sun.
  • Man invents rituals to appease this deity so the sun will always come back.
Fear was the motivation to invent this deity, and it served a purpose, letting man cease to worry about at least the return of the sun tomorrow. So what other worries need deities? Or we could merge them all into one that controlled everything that I don't have an understanding of, and I'll worship that one.

What a burden to carry around in one's mind today, how the ignorance of the past is so embraced still. Why, the 'fear' factor of I'm not sure so I'll stick with it, the inability or refusal to actually think beyond the teachings you have been programmed with, likely from a very early age?
YOU hit the proverbial nail on the head. Most of religion and ignorance is based on FEAR.......FEAR is and always has been a means to control the masses. FEAR is what holds back our species from attaining great accomplishments...Fear is control....Religion is control and fear is it's main weapon. It preys on the weak minded and manipulates them into blaming anyone/everyone else for our problems. Instead of looking within ourselves, to see our frailities and work together to overcome those frailities. Fear keeps governments etc...in control!.
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Old 08-16-2010, 11:46 AM
 
Location: Sarasota, Florida
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You wrongly assume "wantonly and carelessly".

You also wrongly assume it was recently, and with girls from "the business".

Of the four--One was my wife at the time. One was planned. Only one was unexpected (no birth control works 100%). Two of the "unplanned", were not "unexpected"...when you don't try to prevent it, even though you may not be "specifically trying", you know it a good possibility.

You are also wrong that I don't respect many people...I respect just about everybody...including the people I work with.

The point I was making...in case you didn't notice...was that, even though I'M NOT looking at his homosexuality and viewing him negatively for it (even though I find the behavior itself unappealing) it is a given that others in this world WILL. I even gave examples of things that people feel strongly about...both for and against. I wasn't "judging" him...I don't judge people on their sexual behaviors that I may find unappealing to ME, as long as what they are doing is acceptable to all involved, and they are old enough to legally make that choice. I was just pointing out that it's to be assumed others WILL judge people on their sexual choices...regardless of whether it's wrong of them to do it. I'm speaking from the experience of decades of being on the recieving end of that judgement...though it doesn't bother me the way it obviously does PITTSTON

Also, just because some proclivity toward a behavior is "biology rather than choice" doesn't mean you can't choose not to engage in that conduct. It is "biology not choice" that makes me feel hungry...but if I want to stay in top shape I am going to have to not eat things I really would like to eat. I CAN eat...just not exactly what, and all, I would like to.

Oh, and BTW, I suggest you do a little research. Surf the web for how many people nowadays "engage in sex for money" in the pornography business. It numbers in the MILLIONS. So, you are wrong about them not "representing" mainstream society. They represent it as well as any other group of people engaged in a vocation also engaged in by millions of others. The prejudice against them, is similar to the prejudice against homosexuals---people don't agree with the choices they make sexually, so they condemn them. MOF...I find revealing the industry I am in to be the "litmus test" for "bias and intolerance toward others for their sexual lifestyle". Some pass...most don't...I'll let you look inside yourself to determine how you did.
Almost had me rooting for ya there.....how about we all become celibate and end the reign of mankind on this planet; since we are destroying "God's gift" to us anyway...out of fear and greed.

I noticed you tempered your words...I don't expect everyone to like me or even tolerate me...but I DEMAND respect as we all do. What people do "in bed" is just a very small part of who or what we are...leave it at that.

Cunnilingus revolts me.....how about I rant on and on about that?????? This would not only be disrespectful of me but insulting to most straight folks since I assume you all mostly practice that behavior.....now can you see my point.....it is a lack of respect to dwell on these minute and trivial matters......WHO CARES....who does what in bed....Let's get back on topic!.
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Old 08-16-2010, 11:54 AM
 
Location: Sarasota, Florida
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Yeah. That sounds right. I wonder where the aincent egyptians are now? I guess they didn't pray to the sun God to keep their empire up.

And of course they were destroyed. Just like all the other ones.
Do you realize how many THOUSANDS of years their culture lasted??? What engineering and organizational concepts of the Egyptians we still use today.

Do you think any of our buildings/structures will still be standing after THOUSANDS of years?(like their pyramids) LOL...Our country is ready to collapse after just a few hundred years...

History lessons are obviously needed here in addition to Mathematics/Science/Logic/Common Sense etc. OUR entire Western civilization is based on the Greeks and Romans......I guarantee you...our culture will be long gone.....in terms of longevity...relative to their "empires"..
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Old 08-16-2010, 11:59 AM
 
Location: Sarasota, Florida
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Why don't you go worship the sun then? It's right there. The sun didn't create life. Much less human life. I don't see how you would worship the sun. It doesn't answer where you came from. Or how you came to be. Or how the earth came to be. Matter fact, just don't even have sex or use the bathroom or take a shower or take care of children or feed animals. So why not worship the sun? It's a perfectly reasonable creator with no rules and order to life.
NEWSFLASH......NO SUN.....NO life/HUMANS!!!!!!.
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Old 08-16-2010, 12:04 PM
 
Location: Sarasota, Florida
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dont forget native americans
Agreed......we stole their land.......killed them by the millions......exterminated their culture and basically enslaved them.....GOD what a great nation we are. I'm embarassed sometimes, for history will not judge us kindly....assuming our civilization lasts long enough.. And mainly because they were "heathens" and we were God worshippers and this made us superior to them in our limited minds and gave us the "moral currency" to wipe them out.
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Old 08-16-2010, 12:09 PM
 
Location: Prattville, Alabama
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Almost had me rooting for ya there.....how about we all become celibate and end the reign of mankind on this planet; since we are destroying "God's gift" to us anyway...out of fear and greed.

I noticed you tempered your words...I don't expect everyone to like me or even tolerate me...but I DEMAND respect as we all do. What people do "in bed" is just a very small part of who or what we are...leave it at that.

Cunnilingus revolts me.....how about I rant on and on about that?????? This would not only be disrespectful of me but insulting to most straight folks since I assume you all mostly practice that behavior.....now can you see my point.....it is a lack of respect to dwell on these minute and trivial matters......WHO CARES....who does what in bed....Let's get back on topic!.
I personally would really like to know, from the religious and non-religious alike, why what someone else does in their own bedroom bothers them so much?? How does what another consenting adult couple engage in affect anyone else?? I have never been able understand this mentality...because what someone else does in their bedroom doesn't affect me in the least...so what actually is the big deal???

And let's please try to leave the frackin bible out of this for one moment and think about this logically and rationally.
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