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Old 06-14-2011, 11:46 PM
 
Location: Valencia, Spain
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You missed Rafius' point.
Are you surprised??
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Old 06-15-2011, 05:32 AM
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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You missed Rafius' point. If God made us naturally sinful, it isn't our fault. That is like blaming a cat for stalking birds.

Are we not to blame for all the bad things we do?

How is easy it is to blame God for everything and credit Him for nothing.
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Old 06-15-2011, 06:09 AM
 
Location: Limbo
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Are we not to blame for all the bad things we do?
Yeah, people are just sniveling, mewling earthworms in the eyes of your improvisational pretend playmate.
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Old 06-15-2011, 06:16 AM
 
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Satan already has all the Moslems, Hindus, Bhuddists, etc. right where he wants them: on the wrong path. He doesn't care in which direction someone goes off track as long as they are not going in the right direction.
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Old 06-15-2011, 06:28 AM
 
Location: Limbo
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Satan already has all the Moslems, Hindus, Bhuddists, etc. right where he wants them: on the wrong path. He doesn't care in which direction someone goes off track as long as they are not going in the right direction.
You really don't beleive in the Moslem, Hindu, Bhuddists, etc. Gods?
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Old 06-15-2011, 08:12 AM
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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Yeah, people are just sniveling, mewling earthworms in the eyes of your improvisational pretend playmate.
Not quite.
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Old 06-15-2011, 08:15 AM
 
Location: Valencia, Spain
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Are we not to blame for all the bad things we do?
No, not if we are born naturally sinful as you claim.

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How is easy it is to blame God for everything and credit Him for nothing.
Well you see, that's the problem you're going to get if you go around claiming to be the creator and controller of EVERYTHING....you also have to take responsibility for EVERYTHING. You can't go waving your arms around and screaming that it's not your fault every time something goes wrong. Christianity is very good at doing such a thing mind you, it has perfected it into an art form....but it's just a sham all the same.
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Old 06-15-2011, 02:51 PM
 
Location: Metromess
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Are we not to blame for all the bad things we do?

How is easy it is to blame God for everything and credit Him for nothing.
We are to blame for bad things we do on an earthly level, but not on one according to a religion. We are not to blame for our basic nature, which you say God made us with and then proceeded to set the bar impossibly high, with a supremely draconian punishment for failing.

I don't believe in a god, so I neither credit nor blame one for anything.
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Old 06-15-2011, 03:24 PM
 
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Are we not to blame for all the bad things we do?

How is easy it is to blame God for everything and credit Him for nothing.
Well let's give him credit for everything, after it's all his design right?

The cat he designed stalks birds, the man he created does "bad things". His universe, his design, his fault.
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Old 06-15-2011, 06:43 PM
 
Location: Murfreesboro (nearer Smyrna), TN
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No, not if we are born naturally sinful as you claim.
When we say born naturally, we mean from the fall of Man, not as God's will. When everyone after the fall was born, they had the sinful nature within them as part of the fall from the Garden. This is not God's fault. If I show you how to drive a car and you drive it in a way inconsistant with what I taught you, can you blame it on me? No.

Well you see, that's the problem you're going to get if you go around claiming to be the creator and controller of EVERYTHING....you also have to take responsibility for EVERYTHING.[/quote]

This goes back to the other response above. Some people say that God created evil. This is not true. Evil is the byproduct of Mankind's misuse of the rules. Evil is not a tangible acitivity. Evil is simply the absense of following God's rules. We are all guilty of this, even Me. This is why Jesus' birth and death in human form was necessary. Evil is a byproduct like a shadow is the byproduct of light.

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You can't go waving your arms around and screaming that it's not your fault every time something goes wrong. Christianity is very good at doing such a thing mind you, it has perfected it into an art form....but it's just a sham all the same.[/quote]
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