Jesus was FAR different than most people think! (prophet, God, belief)
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Gods manipulation of history and humans is obvious. Gods power is simply awesome , there literally is nothing that he cannot do. Changing Jesus from a Spirit being into a spem cell and placing him in a human womb: guiding human history without humans even aware of him doing it; Loving humans who couldcareless about him or believe he exist; being alive forever and willing to share his eternity;
Being a God who cannot loose or be defeated; having supreme authority;
And then trusting Jesus to personally handle all this for him. God must really Love Jesus!
Jesus' conception did not involve Joseph or any other human. the Gospel of Matthew, the Gospel of Luke, tells us this. Matthew 1:25:"But he [Joseph] had no [sexual] union with her until she gave birth to a son..." (NIV)
Also, all of your mainstream protestants profess this. Its the non-denominational sects that do NOT profess the whole word of God and or the bible.
Sarah
With the greatest respect, the Gospels are demonstrably fallacious. The claims they make are without foundation, merit or credibility. That is why I do not subscribe to any sect, denomination or faith that holds to the claims made in those gospels as indisputable fact.
To take Capt. Dan's point, I would fight to the death for your right to believe whatever you want and to say so publicly, too, just I will fight to the death (preferably somebody else's ) for my right to say publicly, that it it makes no sense to me, and to say exactly why it makes no sense and to suggest that it shouldn't make sense to anyone else with their head correctly connected.
With the greatest respect, the Gospels are demonstrably fallacious. The claims they make are without foundation, merit or credibility. That is why I do not subscribe to any sect, denomination or faith that holds to the claims made in those gospels as indisputable fact.
To take Capt. Dan's point, I would fight to the death for your right to believe whatever you want and to say so publicly, too, just I will fight to the death (preferably somebody else's ) for my right to say publicly, that it it makes no sense to me, and to say exactly why it makes no sense and to suggest that it shouldn't make sense to anyone else with their head correctly connected.
Let me see your proof that the gospels are without credibility, merit or foundation.
Its easy to blow that horn, lets see if its just as easy to prove you have a real horn.
Gods manipulation of history and humans is obvious. Gods power is simply awesome , there literally is nothing that he cannot do. Changing Jesus from a Spirit being into a spem cell and placing him in a human womb: guiding human history without humans even aware of him doing it; Loving humans who couldcareless about him or believe he exist; being alive forever and willing to share his eternity;
Being a God who cannot loose or be defeated; having supreme authority;
And then trusting Jesus to personally handle all this for him. God must really Love Jesus!
Spirit comes from the latin word Spiritus which is latin for breath or air.
The basis for the belief in the Immaculate Conception of Mary can be found in the Biblical revelation of holiness and the opposite of that state, sinfulness.
All you have to do now then is show objective, verifiable evidence that the source you are quoting i.e. the Bible, is true.
P.S. It would be nice if you were able to discuss something in your own words that have been formulated from your own thoughts instead of copying and pasting reams of Bible apologetics.
Let me see your proof that the gospels are without credibility, merit or foundation.
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For goodness sake pal! If I had 1 euro for every time someone has shown that the Gospels are not credible I'd be very happy. The fact that you don't accept the objective, verifiable evidence that has been presented matters not one wit.
For goodness sake pal! If I had 1 euro for every time someone has shown that the Gospels are not credible I'd be very happy. The fact that you don't accept the objective, verifiable evidence that has been presented matters not one wit.
Well I don't doubt that you have seen it, I was just simply requesting that it be shown to me.
With the greatest respect, the Gospels are demonstrably fallacious. The claims they make are without foundation, merit or credibility. That is why I do not subscribe to any sect, denomination or faith that holds to the claims made in those gospels as indisputable fact.
To take Capt. Dan's point, I would fight to the death for your right to believe whatever you want and to say so publicly, too, just I will fight to the death (preferably somebody else's ) for my right to say publicly, that it it makes no sense to me, and to say exactly why it makes no sense and to suggest that it shouldn't make sense to anyone else with their head correctly connected.
Most christians believe and defend the gospels and or Gods words, which the bible as it is God breathed. It is your right not to believe, its just sad. The bible, prophets, etc etc in the bible have much credibility and these people in history are fact. We have witnesses and testimonies for the last 2000 years. History, biblical history, etc. its all there if one has eyes to see,along with an open heart. I respect your view point,however I dont agree with it.
According to Matthew 1:20, concerning Jesus physical conception; " For that which has been conceived in her ( Mary's womb), is of the Holy Spirit." This means that Jesus physical body was not the result of male spamodazoa being fertilized by Marys womb, it was the result of what God placed inside of her and used her womb to carry him for 9 months. And that is significant and implys many , many things that people don't readily consider.
One, he is the ONLY human ever conceived as such! So he was human, but he was also " More than human!" He was the firstborn human conceived by the Holy Spirit of God! And that has some serious implications that go along with it. No human male genes were imparted into him by male spamodazoa, yet he was born male.
And the reasons for that are very interesting!
Why would you assume that most people read this differently? Do you have some higher insight? Had you never noticed these bible quotations before?
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) for my right to say publicly, that it it makes no sense to me, and to say exactly why it makes no sense and to suggest that it shouldn't make sense to anyone else with their head correctly connected.
