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Nothing like as much as people have been told. There is a Lot that is very bad advice and even wicked in the sayings stuffed into Jesus' mouth by the Paulinist - Christian writers. Notably the cult -thinking of 'who are my mother and brothers? These (his followers) are my mother and brothers'. Family divisive religious exclusivism is a bad effect of religion that is largely unrecognised. But is is a much greater problem than even atheist realise.
I am also far from impressed by the prayer to the Father in praise of stupidity. I do rather like the 'what is truth?' remark in John. I always noted that he didn't get an answer. You know why? "Truth" in that context means "Faith". And it follows that 'actual truth (so far as reason and evidence can show it) is "Lies" - if it does not prop up Faith - which of course it does not.
That of course, is to address the one point you made that isn't foolish end - of - bworld predictions. I am far more concerned about being hit by an asteroid than any Faith -based Threats of Jesus turning up.
Wat?
How far up in an ivory tower do you live where you don't have any skin in the real world?
Nothing like as much as people have been told. There is a Lot that is very bad advice and even wicked in the sayings stuffed into Jesus' mouth by the Paulinist - Christian writers. Notably the cult -thinking of 'who are my mother and brothers? These (his followers) are my mother and brothers'. Family divisive religious exclusivism is a bad effect of religion that is largely unrecognised. But is is a much greater problem than even atheist realise.
I am also far from impressed by the prayer to the Father in praise of stupidity. I do rather like the 'what is truth?' remark in John. I always noted that he didn't get an answer. You know why? "Truth" in that context means "Faith". And it follows that 'actual truth (so far as reason and evidence can show it) is "Lies" - if it does not prop up Faith - which of course it does not.
That of course, is to address the one point you made that isn't foolish end - of - bworld predictions. I am far more concerned about being hit by an asteroid than any Faith -based Threats of Jesus turning up.
You are falling into the same trap I fell into a few years ago. Paul is the source of much of what we believe about Jesus Christ, isn't he? So you could just as easily that that the gospel writers were basing their writings on Paul plus the older biblical passages, or other sacred Jewish writings. Christians still believe that God orchestrated all of it. Even the most intelligent and scholarly ones.
It is a sacred Human belief and mystery which has been accepted and shared by billions. Why do you want to fight it? Why not try to understand it better?
My brother was taken to church also. At age 16, he rebelled and quit going. He’s now an agnostic. I made a different decision. Why is that so difficult for you to understand?
You are falling into the same trap I fell into a few years ago. Paul is the source of much of what we believe about Jesus Christ, isn't he? So you could just as easily that that the gospel writers were basing their writings on Paul plus the older biblical passages, or other sacred Jewish writings.
Yes, one could argue that, and to a certain extent, it is true. But reading Paul - I mean, Really reading it, not just skimming it and picking up a few Christian -sounding sayings - will show that what he believed about Jesus (and I agree must have come from Jesus' followers) was not what we are taught in the Gospels. And reading Paul will show that he is wrong from start to finish. His argument (set out in Romans) is wrong; his OT quotes are misrepresented and he ignores that he refutes his own dogma, when he finds out that 'dying to sin' does not make people behave well, and he changes from circumcision making people inescapably subject to Jewish Law, to Christfaith excusing even Jews from the need to observe the Law. Which I am sure is what he really wanted - for himself -all the time.
If you want, we can discuss how the gospels do not and cannot represent Jesus' beliefs, nor even Paul's , and they represent the beliefs of Greek Christians who had taken the Pauline ball and run with it, leaving Paul far behind.
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Christians still believe that God orchestrated all of it. Even the most intelligent and scholarly ones.
Yes, Religious Faith screws up the thinking of even the intelligent and Scholarly. That is why they talk nonsense, and wave away problems as though they don't exist.
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It is a sacred Human belief and mystery which has been accepted and shared by billions. Why do you want to fight it? Why not try to understand it better?
I understand it fine, thank you, and it is not a 'sacred human belief and mystery' but a common (and probably evolutionary instinctive) delusion, like life after death. The Bible is a crock, factually and in terms of Good advice. We would be better off without it. If you want it, fine. I support your right to want it. But that it is a whacking great lie is something that I cannot stand and watch being peddled to the whole world.
How far up in an ivory tower do you live where you don't have any skin in the real world?
Lol.
I could say the same about your post here. How far up your ivory tower do you have to be to see that humanist thought is the basis of our society ...yes, even in Islamic countries, who know where money comes from - and it isn't from religion; they cream it off the people. And so religion just sucks the blood of a scientific and humanist society and claims all the credit.
I could say the same about your post here. How far up your ivory tower do you have to be to see that humanist thought is the basis of our society ...yes, even in Islamic countries, who know where money comes from - and it isn't from religion; they cream it off the people. And so religion just sucks the blood of a scientific and humanist society and claims all the credit.
If that is true then maybe the humanist is just one step (or half-step) ahead of the rest of society. He obviously has resources that they don't, otherwise he wouldn't have time to think about these things. He has more resources, whether mental, financial, or whatever. All that the stupid masses of commoners who follow religion know how to do is continue slaving in the fields and workhouses, providing sustenance to his very being. What idiots, right?
It's always been a damn' shame. you say some fair stuff in half of your post, and then you let you anti Left wing bias talk nonsense.
You do know I am left of center. I lean to the left. I just have limits. You would be more correct to say I am anti-extremist. Unlike you, I will not side with dangerous atheist.
If there is one thing that I get accused of, out in the real, is being pretty fair. i apply the scientific method to everything. I point out the flaws in both anti-religious socialist groups almost as equally as I do theist fascism theist.
I am anti-religious socialist as much as I am anti-fascist theism.
I merely point out that biased anti-left and biased anti-right have the same type people in them. that those type of people are dangerous to us all. I say the are both bad.
why would you accept anti-right theism as ok to bash and not anti-left anti-religious?
We focus on repenting and atonement. As per your christ. We do not focus on "literal jesus." also, as per your christ.
Not sure what you mean by literal Jesus, but I agree about repentance and atonement. That is the message of Christianity.
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