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Old 03-05-2019, 09:11 AM
 
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My common response, beaming at the filthy rags comment is, "Aw, that's too bad ...because I think of myself as a Princess.....the daughter of King, that is so adored...Aww...)
Oh, with my head tilted and a little pout I slip in there.
Ahhhhhhh, now I finally have the perfect mental image of Miss H, working the room at a cocktail party!
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Old 03-05-2019, 09:23 AM
 
Location: Southwestern, USA, now.
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Ahhhhhhh, now I finally have the perfect mental image of Miss H,
working the room at a cocktail party!
No, you didn't get that from my post ...you're just plain PSYCHIC!
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Old 03-05-2019, 02:36 PM
 
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So your god may not actually be a god, and therefore you attack atheism because atheism may, by your definition, be correct.
Actually, your NO God may actually be a God. You really don't get it. Neither view of our Reality (the source of everything including us and our consciousness) can be established. That is why the default is and must remain "We Don't Know." your atheist arrogance notwithstanding. You and I can believe one over the other but that does not change the default. This is so obvious and undeniable that I question the self-awareness of any who do not see it. You cannot dismiss the status of our Reality so cavalierly out of ignorance about ALL of its attributes when its KNOWN attributes are sufficient to rule out No God.
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Old 03-05-2019, 02:58 PM
 
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Actually, your NO God may actually be a God. You really don't get it. Neither view of our Reality (the source of everything including us and our consciousness) can be established. That is why the default is and must remain "We Don't Know." your atheist arrogance notwithstanding. You and I can believe one over the other but that does not change the default. This is so obvious and undeniable that I question the self-awareness of any who do not see it. You cannot dismiss the status of our Reality so cavalierly out of ignorance about ALL of its attributes when its KNOWN attributes are sufficient to rule out No God.
"something" more is going on is actually the most reasonable stance at this point. There is just too much science supporting it in the last 15 years. "I don't know" means that person may not know what they don't know so they shouldn't be arguing past "I don't know."

atheist is only the default in that it looks painfully clear that there isn't an big three overseer god thingie.

i see your god thing as just us being part of a larger lifeforms(s). That is a reasonable claim. denying that out of a hatred of religion is just flat nonsensical. that again points to a even better default, atheist and theist have some parts correct and some parts ... not so much. again, something only foreign anti-religious socialist will fight tooth and nail.
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Old 03-05-2019, 03:44 PM
 
Location: minnesota
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Actually, your NO God may actually be a God. You really don't get it. Neither view of our Reality (the source of everything including us and our consciousness) can be established. That is why the default is and must remain "We Don't Know." your atheist arrogance notwithstanding. You and I can believe one over the other but that does not change the default. This is so obvious and undeniable that I question the self-awareness of any who do not see it. You cannot dismiss the status of our Reality so cavalierly out of ignorance about ALL of its attributes when its KNOWN attributes are sufficient to rule out No God.
If the default is "We don't know" wouldn't it be proper when someone comes to a person with a specific God claim to say "probably not that"?
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Old 03-05-2019, 03:46 PM
 
Location: USA
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If the default is "We don't know" wouldn't it be proper when someone comes to a person with a specific God claim to say "probably not that"?
Wouldn't it depend on what "that" is?
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Old 03-05-2019, 03:49 PM
 
Location: minnesota
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Wouldn't it depend on what "that" is?
Not if we don't know. A person could try and explain their concept but it's unlikely to be treated as fact by someone who knows we don't know.
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Old 03-05-2019, 03:51 PM
 
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Not if we don't know. A person could try and explain their concept but it's unlikely to be treated as fact by someone who knows we don't know.
Not as fact, but you said "probably not" that. I'm not sure one could relegate everything into the probably not pile, equally. Wouldn't some rank a "possibly that" ?
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Old 03-05-2019, 03:55 PM
 
Location: minnesota
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Not as fact, but you said "probably not" that. I'm not sure one could relegate everything into the probably not pile, equally. Wouldn't some rank a "possibly that" ?
If the default is "we don't know" any attempt to define it is unlikely to be accurate until we do know. It's all speculation. I'm comfortable with not knowing until we do know.
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Old 03-05-2019, 03:59 PM
 
Location: USA
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If the default is "we don't know" any attempt to define it is unlikely to be accurate until we do know. It's all speculation. I'm comfortable with not knowing until we do know.
I get that, although it seems to me that sitting back and waiting isn't the way things are usually discovered.
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