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Which again - is wrong, as anyone able to read Biblical Hebrew can plainly see.
it is not enough to just "read Biblical Hebrew"
because a person then does not make accurate or complete conclusions,
as your not understanding illustrates
as ohky correctly recommends, if you are confused talk to a Rabbi
or read the articles provided, as they are reliable Jewish sources
Last edited by Tzaphkiel; 07-11-2016 at 11:09 AM..
it is not enough to just "read Biblical Hebrew"
because a person then does not make accurate or complete conclusions,
as your not understanding illustrates
as ohky correctly recommends, if you are confused talk to a Rabbi
or read the articles provided, as they are reliable Jewish sources
Ah, so no refutation on the obvious error the website made? Well, that's because there is no refutation to the elementary mistake that was made - and no rabbi can or will convince anyone that Job has the word מַלְאָךְ for "Satan".
As I said, it's not an issue of extra-biblical rabbinic exegesis, it's an issue of misrepresenting what the peshat actually states. Thus, not a reliable website.
it is not enough to just "read Biblical Hebrew"
because a person then does not make accurate or complete conclusions,
as your not understanding illustrates
as ohky correctly recommends, if you are confused talk to a Rabbi
or read the articles provided, as they are reliable Jewish sources
IN SHORT... For Jews, anything that even remotely conflicts with the idea that Gd is One and Indivisible will be rejected out of hand because it precludes true pure monotheism. The idea that there is a Gd in heaven above who fights against a god of the underworld, or of hell, is not monotheism. It is, however, the same duality found in other pagan faiths. The Bible speaks of a character known as The Satan, who acts like a prosecuting attorney, or a district attorney, in Gd's court. However, The Satan has no power or authority in and of himself, rather he must get permission from the Judge, Gd, to do anything.
It seems Christians still do not understand the Book of Job and therefore do not understand what HaSatan is...
If HaSatan is as bad as you state, then that means that G-d is just as bad, or worse...
To believe that "HaSatan" was made as HaSatan would imply God is just as bad or worse.
However, as Deuteronomy 32:4 states, "The Rock, perfect is his activity,For all his ways are justice.A God of faithfulness who is never unjust;Righteous and upright is he."
Genesis indicates God created everything and it was" very good"-Genesis 1:31. Common Lexicon definitions of that verbiage indicate it means beautiful, moral, a good thing, pleasant and other such descriptors. Clearly the actions of the "resister" "adversary" in the Book of Job are not in line with God's creation as being very good. However, the Christian belief that God created intelligent beings, angels and humans, with the freedom to choose is in line with Biblical teaching. God created angels including the creation who became "HaSatan" but God did not create him as such.
oK, well im sure you can find actual books from people that explain and even better websites but you SHOULD speak with a Rabbi regarding the matter if you are confused.
Whether hes an angel, person, demon, or a dog...it doesnt matter really in the end. I believe theres nothing good from him. If you want to believe hes good, then thats your choice.
Dont tell me my belief is wrong though just because you dont agree or like it.
Why is Satan supposed to be so bad?
Of course....It's the main job of Satan.
Satan wants you go into the hell together with him.
Satan hates all mankind so much that he spends every day working to cause chaos, fear, pain and misery in our lives. I have no doubt that Satan has played a major role in most of the suicides by injecting thoughts of self-pity, self-loathing, and low self-esteem for example.
Good post.....and I agree...No one is forcing you to believe in God.
To believe that "HaSatan" was made as HaSatan would imply God is just as bad or worse.
However, as Deuteronomy 32:4 states, "The Rock, perfect is his activity,For all his ways are justice.A God of faithfulness who is never unjust;Righteous and upright is he."
Genesis indicates God created everything and it was" very good"-Genesis 1:31. Common Lexicon definitions of that verbiage indicate it means beautiful, moral, a good thing, pleasant and other such descriptors. Clearly the actions of the "resister" "adversary" in the Book of Job are not in line with God's creation as being very good. However, the Christian belief that God created intelligent beings, angels and humans, with the freedom to choose is in line with Biblical teaching. God created angels including the creation who became "HaSatan" but God did not create him as such.
To believe that "HaSatan" was made as HaSatan would imply God is just as bad or worse.
However, as Deuteronomy 32:4 states, "The Rock, perfect is his activity,For all his ways are justice.A God of faithfulness who is never unjust;Righteous and upright is he."
Genesis indicates God created everything and it was" very good"-Genesis 1:31. Common Lexicon definitions of that verbiage indicate it means beautiful, moral, a good thing, pleasant and other such descriptors. Clearly the actions of the "resister" "adversary" in the Book of Job are not in line with God's creation as being very good. However, the Christian belief that God created intelligent beings, angels and humans, with the freedom to choose is in line with Biblical teaching. God created angels including the creation who became "HaSatan" but God did not create him as such.
Why don't you go back and read some of the information that both Richard and I supplied, especially concerning the Book of Job (the satan was not evil in any way shape or form in that work: he was one of the "sons of God" and was doing God's will, with his permission - it was his job), Isaiah's statement that God is responsible for both good and evil, and how later tradents rejected Deuteronomy's theology of punishing children for the sins of their fathers (an Unjust practice), not to mention the entire book of Job's critique of Retributive Justice and the conclusion that God will do whatever he wants: Just or Unjust. In addition, don't pick just one very rare meaning of the Hebrew word for "good" and ignore the rest. You seem determined to choose "moral good" as the meaning in Genesis.
How can you be so willfully oblivious to what the Bible clearly and explicitly states? You are like one of Job's friends - apologizing for God, and then being condemned for it. God doesn't require your weak apologetics, straight out of Sunday School.
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