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Old 07-01-2016, 05:08 AM
 
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No that's not true....
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Serpents or snakes do not speak to people , however demon Spirits do. sATAN just happened to be the chief Archangel STAR demon spirit .

The Hebrew word for serpent is (Nashash) Which Means SHINING ONE.

Which sound like sATAN Before he was kicked out
of HEAVEN.

Thaattt was a Shining Light Demon Spirit Talking To Eve and not a snake in the grass!!!

I guess it's safe to assume - from the above - that you do not understand Biblical Hebrew. That's fine, but be careful when you imagine that "Nashash" is the word in question. Spoiler alert: it's not.

The Hebrew word for "snake" means.... wait for it: "snake". It's similar to how words work in any language. You know, how "dog" in English means "dog" - and not "lack of Biblical Hebrew 101".

It's not "Nashash" either - it's "naḥaš" or "nahash" to make it simple. Not sure how you confused 2 different Hebrew letters and assumed they were both "sh". Perhaps whatever website you're getting your information from has made a rather elementary mistake? Or you did?
נָחָשׁ (nḥš) means: "snake", or "serpent".
It's a fairly normal cognate in Semitic languages. nḥš means "snake" in Ugaritic, in Biblical Hebrew - and cognates include Arabic, Ethiopic, etc. Nowhere does it have the meaning of "SHINING ONE". It has the meaning of "snake".

Here, an online dictionary of Biblical Hebrew: http://biblehub.com/hebrew/5175.htm It's outdated, but still accurate in some regards. Note that the Hebrew letter "ḥ" is transliterated as "ch" in this dictionary, and not "sh" - which is an entirely different letter.

So... again: the text of Genesis describes a nḥš, not a "SHINING ONE" disguised as a nḥš.

Not so much this (imagine the guy is your "SHINING ONE":



, but more like this:

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Old 07-01-2016, 04:50 PM
 
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I guess it's safe to assume - from the above - that you do not understand Biblical Hebrew. That's fine, but be careful when you imagine that "Nashash" is the word in question. Spoiler alert: it's not.

The Hebrew word for "snake" means.... wait for it: "snake". It's similar to how words work in any language. You know, how "dog" in English means "dog" - and not "lack of Biblical Hebrew 101".

It's not "Nashash" either - it's "naḥaÅ¡" or "nahash" to make it simple. Not sure how you confused 2 different Hebrew letters and assumed they were both "sh". Perhaps whatever website you're getting your information from has made a rather elementary mistake? Or you did?
נָחָשׁ (nḥÅ¡) means: "snake", or "serpent".
It's a fairly normal cognate in Semitic languages. nḥÅ¡ means "snake" in Ugaritic, in Biblical Hebrew - and cognates include Arabic, Ethiopic, etc. Nowhere does it have the meaning of "SHINING ONE". It has the meaning of "snake".

Here, an online dictionary of Biblical Hebrew: Strong's Hebrew: 5175. ?????? (nachash) -- a serpent It's outdated, but still accurate in some regards. Note that the Hebrew letter "ḥ" is transliterated as "ch" in this dictionary, and not "sh" - which is an entirely different letter.

So... again: the text of Genesis describes a nḥÅ¡, not a "SHINING ONE" disguised as a nḥÅ¡.

Not so much this (imagine the guy is your "SHINING ONE":



, but more like this:

I never said that sATAN WAS A SNAKE......but rather A Serpent ( Shining One ) that fell from HEAVEN.
I stand by my source נָחָשׁ

https://www.raptureready.com/soap/heron4.html


Strong's Hebrew: 5175. ?????? (nachash) -- a serpent


Serpent - Definition and Meaning, Bible Dictionary


serpent


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serpents_in_the_Bible
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Old 07-02-2016, 01:08 AM
 
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I guess it's safe to assume - from the above - that you do not understand Biblical Hebrew. That's fine, but be careful when you imagine that "Nashash" is the word in question. Spoiler alert: it's not.

The Hebrew word for "snake" means.... wait for it: "snake". It's similar to how words work in any language. You know, how "dog" in English means "dog" - and not "lack of Biblical Hebrew 101".

It's not "Nashash" either - it's "naḥaÅ¡" or "nahash" to make it simple. Not sure how you confused 2 different Hebrew letters and assumed they were both "sh". Perhaps whatever website you're getting your information from has made a rather elementary mistake? Or you did?
נָחָשׁ (nḥÅ¡) means: "snake", or "serpent".
It's a fairly normal cognate in Semitic languages. nḥÅ¡ means "snake" in Ugaritic, in Biblical Hebrew - and cognates include Arabic, Ethiopic, etc. Nowhere does it have the meaning of "SHINING ONE". It has the meaning of "snake".

Here, an online dictionary of Biblical Hebrew: Strong's Hebrew: 5175. ?????? (nachash) -- a serpent It's outdated, but still accurate in some regards. Note that the Hebrew letter "ḥ" is transliterated as "ch" in this dictionary, and not "sh" - which is an entirely different letter.

So... again: the text of Genesis describes a nḥÅ¡, not a "SHINING ONE" disguised as a nḥÅ¡.

Not so much this (imagine the guy is your "SHINING ONE":



, but more like this:
Actually, you're both wrong...The Hebrew word for snake or serpent is, נחש, pronounced "Na-kha-sh", not "Nashash"...And was the cleverest of the beasts of the field that G-d had created...And nowhere in that story did it even allude to the snake being possessed by an invisible entity...
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Old 07-02-2016, 01:15 AM
 
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I never said that sATAN WAS A SNAKE......but rather A Serpent ( Shining One ) that fell from HEAVEN.
I stand by my source נָחָשׁ

https://www.raptureready.com/soap/heron4.html


Strong's Hebrew: 5175. ?????? (nachash) -- a serpent


Serpent - Definition and Meaning, Bible Dictionary


serpent


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serpents_in_the_Bible
All those links are biased toward a Christian understanding and not a Jewish one...Nachash means "serpent, snake"...
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Old 07-02-2016, 01:28 AM
 
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Actually, you're both wrong...The Hebrew word for snake or serpent is, נחש, pronounced "Na-kha-sh", not "Nashash"...And was the cleverest of the beasts of the field that G-d had created...And nowhere in that story did it even allude to the snake being possessed by an invisible entity...
Richard, where am I "wrong"?

You just repeated exactly what I wrote:
נָחָשׁ (nḥÅ¡) means: "snake", or "serpent".
The only difference is that you use a less-specific "kha" istead of "ḥ": see, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heth. I prefer a more precise transliteration system that leaves no doubt as to what Hebrew letter is being discussed.
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Old 07-02-2016, 01:32 AM
 
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I never said that sATAN WAS A SNAKE......but rather A Serpent ( Shining One ) that fell from HEAVEN.
I stand by my source נָחָשׁ
Stand by your source all you want - it's incorrect. The word "serpent" or "snake" are both translations of נָחָשׁ (nḥÅ¡). It's simple Biblical Hebrew 101.
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Old 07-02-2016, 01:36 AM
 
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I never said that sATAN WAS A SNAKE......but rather A Serpent ( Shining One ) that fell from HEAVEN.
I stand by my source נָחָשׁ

https://www.raptureready.com/soap/heron4.html


Strong's Hebrew: 5175. ?????? (nachash) -- a serpent


Serpent - Definition and Meaning, Bible Dictionary


serpent


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serpents_in_the_Bible


Here, this is the translation of Nachash...General meaning and literary meaning:


Translation
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Old 07-02-2016, 01:38 AM
 
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Richard, where am I "wrong"?

You just repeated exactly what I wrote:
נָחָשׁ (nḥš) means: "snake", or "serpent".
The only difference is that you use a less-specific "kha" istead of "ḥ": see, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heth. I prefer a more precise transliteration system that leaves no doubt as to what Hebrew letter is being discussed.
Unfortunately, I only read the intro...My bad...
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Old 07-02-2016, 01:42 AM
 
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Stand by your source all you want - it's incorrect. The word "serpent" or "snake" are both translations of נָחָשׁ (nḥÅ¡). It's simple Biblical Hebrew 101.
And also has a literary meaning of magic, sorcery or witchcraft...
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Old 07-02-2016, 02:55 AM
 
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And also has a literary meaning of magic, sorcery or witchcraft...
Yes, the root נחש ultimately bears those meanings in various constructs of "omens", "incantations", etc. The particular construct נָחָשׁ applying to "snake" may ultimately derive from them etymologically - especially if you look at the cognate in Ugaritic, where the root nḥÅ¡ not only means "snake" but an "incantation against snakebite". But which came first? The "chicken" or the "egg"? The vowel-formations would, of course, be different - as in Hebrew, but the root is the same.

The only possible connection of a "shining one" is to an Akkadian cognate: naḫāÅ¡u(m) : "to become luxuriant". But the translation of "luxuriant" is misleading - it does not bear our English meaning of "glowing", but means "healthy". So Howest2008 is still getting grossly misleading information.
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