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To my knowledge, Viz never said that Mormons or JW's self-identified as "not Christian."
Oh, yes. Viz said that on numerous occasions. He asked me several times why I call myself a Christian when I'm not. That was, of course, quite a while ago. He ultimately learned that there are consequences for doing so. I suspect he passed that info on to BF, who seemed to appear out of nowhere with that knowledge, and with a game plan to carry on Viz's legacy in a slightly more subtle way. "I don't want to be accused of denominational bashing," was one of Viz's favorite phrases, once he discovered he had to watch his Ps and Qs. I've seen that phrase a lot recently.
OK so I saw the other thread and he is talking about Mormons. He must not have been around when Viz was saying Mormons and JWs weren't Christians.
While it is true that in his mind the original OP would apply to Mormons and JWs and probably Quakers and a whole slew of other faith traditions, his latest pose about them self identifying as "Not Christian" would not. Obviously that's a dodge to get out from under the actual terms of his OP, but the point here is to expose the fact that there ARE no groups that meet his substituted terms.
I don't expect BF to hang around holding his head as Vizio did so much. He doesn't seem to use the trick of simply ignoring the posts where it is handed to him.
I just sit here and wonder why a member of a religion that has been decided NON-Christian as long as it's existed.....would want to identify as a Christian?
We have people posting here from several different groups that have historically self-identified as being different from the rest of the Christian mainstream, even claiming to be the only representatives of Christianity on Earth....yet here they are saying they're just ordinary Christians. Why?
Why deny major facets of the faith, and still believe you are one of us? Why is it so important to you?
Because not everyone agrees with what Christianity is. I say that Christianity is when you convert to the ways of Jesus, his worship system, and all the sacrifices he made for us, modern Christianity rejects Jesus, they reject the ways of Jesus and everything that would prove he was the Messiah. Modern Christianity denies Jesus in my view, you deny everything of Jesus and what he said, then you just deny Jesus.
People don't want to admit the fact the Christianity began as a legal sect of Judaism.
You can't reason with people who deny historical facts, they have no reason.
Because not everyone agrees with what Christianity is. I say that Christianity is when you convert to the ways of Jesus, his worship system, and all the sacrifices he made for us, modern Christianity rejects Jesus, they reject the ways of Jesus and everything that would prove he was the Messiah. Modern Christianity denies Jesus in my view, you deny everything of Jesus and what he said, then you just deny Jesus.
People don't want to admit the fact the Christianity began as a legal sect of Judaism.
You can't reason with people who deny historical facts, they have no reason.
Then this post wasn't asking the question you just answered. If you identify as a Christian, great. But that's not the topic here.
The topic is asking why someone that belongs to a group that has previously said they are NOT CHRISTIAN is now wanting to identify as Chrstian.
I appreciate the input, but this just isn't what I'm asking.
Then this post wasn't asking the question you just answered. If you identify as a Christian, great. But that's not the topic here.
The topic is asking why someone that belongs to a group that has previously said they are NOT CHRISTIAN is now wanting to identify as Chrstian.
I appreciate the input, but this just isn't what I'm asking.
Please. Step back. Look at the responses you have gotten.
Have you made your point?
Clearly the answer is no.
Either you need to totally restate and CLARIFY your position, OR you need to drop it. You're hamster running around the little wheel and getting nowhere.
What's the saying? The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. (Or something like that).
Please. Step back. Look at the responses you have gotten.
Have you made your point?
Clearly the answer is no.
Either you need to totally restate and CLARIFY your position, OR you need to drop it. You're hamster running around the little wheel and getting nowhere.
What's the saying? The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. (Or something like that).
I'm merely answering questions at this point. I'm not persisting. If you'd like this to end, stop asking me questions and I'll stop responding.
I'm merely answering questions at this point. I'm not persisting. If you'd like this to end, stop asking me questions and I'll stop responding.
That response is a total FAIL.
Basically what you're saying is that you want the last word, even if no one knows what you posted about. And that is a part of why so many people dislike fundamentalism in any religion -- fundamentalists always assume they actually have the "last word".
OP: Are you talking about Baptist fundamentalists?
That's a pretty new-fangled sect - really only going forward since the 19th century. No pedigree - not really genuine.
Exactly. Fundies are New Age Christians.
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