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Sure, yeah maybe. Unless they are right by accident.
"If faith is right about anything, it would only be right by accident." ~ Dr. Samuel Harris, atheist neuroscientist.
These are the sort of platitudes and aphorisms that I would consider "not really true wisdom." Such simplistic platitudes imagine a perfect world where everyone follows rules and there is never any negative consequences for doing a good thing. But in truth and evidently, the good often die young: those who think others everywhere already follow their example do not ready themselves to defend their lives properly, become naive and believe lies easily, and don't prepare themselves mentally well enough and thus feel greater suffering when others don't treat them with kindness. The mostly bad persecute the good and the bad, the mostly good persecute the bad and the good.
Don't kill, another man might kill you or others. Don't lie, you might get yourself or others in trouble for keeping secrets or telling truths. Treat others with kindness, you or others might be unawarely abused. Etc. It is never as simple as three or four words.
I wasn't writing a thesis. Just a quick forum post.
A line of thought has developed in this thread which is taking it far afield from the OP AND from the revision of the elemints of the Op. The effect of this could well be to have this thread closed, thereby absolving Baptist Fundie from answering the questions that have been rased about his revision...
SO I am taking the last few posts on this new topic to a new thread entitled Wisdom without the Magic/Supernatural.
PLEASE take any new responses to that thread and allow this one to remain on topic
Have you spent enough time studying Empiricism, Hannibal? Somehow I doubt it.
I'm simply trying to demonstrate to you that "spend enough time in study" is a vague criteria that could only mean "you've only studied it enough once you believe it hook, line, and sinker."
But this is the same logic as "believing through faith"...
which in other words is "believing by trying your best to become/stay loyal to the believe."
Empiricism will be easily proven to you if you are willing to spend enough time in study.
LOL, Don't even know what that word means but I get the point, fair enough, and I still say that given time, I could prove and convince anyone.
If someone doesn't believe in the Tr-Iune Godhead (per scripture) then they are not a Christian
If someone doesn't believe Christ became man, died and rose again to save us from our sins and be reconcilled to God, then he's not a Christian per CHRISTIAN beliefs.
I would obviously not call myself a Muslim if I do not align with the Muslims defintion of a Muslim per the Koran. If I did so, I'd be a liar and I'd hope people would call me on it.
To be a liar is to be a deceiver. No one likes liars or deceivers. They are what the world considers " a snake in the grass"
(ftr: snake is a metaphor for the devil in the garden of eden who deceived Adam and Eve)
If someone doesn't believe in the Tr-Iune Godhead (per scripture) then they are not a Christian
If someone doesn't believe Christ became man, died and rose again to save us from our sins and be reconcilled to God, then he's not a Christian per CHRISTIAN beliefs.
Read the instruction to this forum. Anyone who claims to follow Christ and be a Christian IS a Christian here. You are violating the rules of this forum by pretending that you can decide who is or is not a Christian.
If someone doesn't believe in the Tr-Iune Godhead (per scripture) then they are not a Christian
If someone doesn't believe Christ became man, died and rose again to save us from our sins and be reconcilled to God, then he's not a Christian per CHRISTIAN beliefs.
I would obviously not call myself a Muslim if I do not align with the Muslims defintion of a Muslim per the Koran. If I did so, I'd be a liar and I'd hope people would call me on it.
To be a liar is to be a deceiver. No one likes liars or deceivers. They are what the world considers " a snake in the grass"
(ftr: snake is a metaphor for the devil in the garden of eden who deceived Adam and Eve)
Coming from a group that didn't believe in the Trinity I can tell you they are genuine when they say they are Christians. They believed that trinity religions to be false. I think there is infighting with the Muslims as well. Maybe if people could just get over themselves for a minute.
Read the instruction to this forum. Anyone who claims to follow Christ and be a Christian IS a Christian here. You are violating the rules of this forum by pretending that you can decide who is or is not a Christian.
I was addressing the biblical (bible) definition only, not the definition per this forum.
The world, including forums, have various definitions of CHRISTian
People themselves have varying definitions of the word Christian
Just as people have varying definitions of MUSLIM
If I said the definition per MUSLIM beliefs, I'd be referring to the Koran
Not a person or forums definition of MUSLIM
SO when I visit other CD forums (after some knowledge ) I will be referring to the KORAN's definition
of MUSLIM.
Christianity is not the only religion I plan on participating in discussions
Just don't want to waste other peoples time discussing a religion I don't even have a basic foundation to their beliefs, no matter what it is
I was addressing the biblical definition only, not the definition of this forum.
The world, including forums, have various definitions of CHRISTian
People themselves have varying definitions of the word Christian.
Just as people have varying definitions of MUSLIM
If I said the definition per MUSLIM beliefs, I'd be referring to the Koran
Not a person or forums definition of MUSLIM
What is the Biblical definition of a Christian then? Show me where it says believing in the trinity is a requirement. The only scripture that comes to my mind is the one about two or three people gathered together in my name.
I was addressing the biblical (bible) definition only, not the definition per this forum.
You don't get to decide what is the biblical definition of Christian because there is no such definition in the Bible. Your indoctrination into whatever dogma you currently endorse does NOT privilege you to decide who is Christian, period.
If someone doesn't believe in the Tr-Iune Godhead (per scripture) then they are not a Christian
If someone doesn't believe Christ became man, died and rose again to save us from our sins and be reconcilled to God, then he's not a Christian per CHRISTIAN beliefs.
I would obviously not call myself a Muslim if I do not align with the Muslims defintion of a Muslim per the Koran. If I did so, I'd be a liar and I'd hope people would call me on it.
To be a liar is to be a deceiver. No one likes liars or deceivers. They are what the world considers " a snake in the grass"
(ftr: snake is a metaphor for the devil in the garden of eden who deceived Adam and Eve)
And this post exemplifies the problem we are discussing. That some people think they and their associates are the ones who get to define what being a Christian is and is not. And they are wrong. That is between an individual and God (assuming for this discussion that there is a God). Others don't get to decide. And that is one of the reasons I turned away from Christianity -- because far too many Christians spend their time EXCLUDING people that are not like them. And, at least in my view, that is just the opposite of what Christ would have done.
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) I will be referring to the KORAN's definition
