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Old 01-11-2019, 06:16 PM
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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For Tzaph, it's G_d. Or G-d.
It's odd the Abrahamic religions can't even agree what to call their omni-god-thing.
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Old 01-11-2019, 07:09 PM
 
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faith would not be required.
When traveling to see a friend living far away does it Not require faith because that friend in Not with you ________
You have put forth faith that you will see that friend upon arrival and Not before.
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Old 01-11-2019, 07:13 PM
 
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It's odd the Abrahamic religions can't even agree what to call their omni-god-thing.
The Tetragrammaton (YHWH) is always the Tetragrammaton.
What happened is because of Jewish superstition the exact pronunciation of God's name is unknown.
The most common accepted English pronunciation is found in the old King James Bible at Psalm 83:18.
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Old 01-11-2019, 07:15 PM
 
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For Tzaph, it's G_d. Or G-d.
For everyone, both God (G-d/G_d) and Lord (L-d) are titles and Not a personal name.
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Old 01-11-2019, 08:34 PM
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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When traveling to see a friend living far away does it Not require faith because that friend in Not with you ________
You have put forth faith that you will see that friend upon arrival and Not before.
No. A phone call or text or email will do.

No faith required.
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Old 01-11-2019, 08:36 PM
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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For everyone, both God (G-d/G_d) and Lord (L-d) are titles and Not a personal name.
I didn't say it was.

But you're all talking about the same old murderous dude, just using different names.
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Old 01-12-2019, 12:36 AM
 
Location: Valencia, Spain
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OK so tell us in your own words how things are created. whether it is building a house, or baking a batch of chocolate chip cookies, or writing a computer program, or composing a song. what is the process of creating. something. anything.
We know that a house, or baking a batch of chocolate chip cookies, or writing a computer program, or composing a song have been created because we know that such things do not occur naturally. However, in the case of the universe, we have no reason to assume that it is not a natural phenomenon. What you are using is the ludicrous and very badly flawed 'Watchmaker' analogy. Don't bother! You'll be shot down every time.

Apologia Atheos: The Watchmaker argument refuted

If you are going to propose a creator of the universe, you first have to prove a creation of the universe...and you can't do that can you.

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When traveling to see a friend living far away does it Not require faith
No. You just need to phone him and arrange where to meet.
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Old 01-12-2019, 03:14 AM
 
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I going to have to use phets example to evaluate the claim.

I can make cookies so the universe was created by god.

I mean I can really under stand why some non believers get mad at this. Is this even a real discussion at this point?
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Old 01-12-2019, 07:16 AM
 
Location: Germany
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OK so tell us in your own words how things are created. whether it is building a house, or baking a batch of chocolate chip cookies, or writing a computer program, or composing a song. what is the process of creating. something. anything.
I found Paley's watch on the beach, but then the snowflakes started to fall.
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Old 01-12-2019, 07:18 AM
 
Location: Germany
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Humans create on a smaller scale (casseroles, computer programs, automobiles). Creator creates on a larger scale (planets, nature, universes)

The process is the same though. Sentient being using intelligence and the creative process to create physical stuff.

Back of everything physical is the non physical intelligence that created it from desire and idea, through planning and design, through building and assembling, to finished casserole or planet or novel or galaxy.

The you that inhabits your body and looks out through your eyeballs has the same capacity to create as big C Creator. The difference is a matter of degree, and a conscious deliberate focused use of the creative process (rather than haphazard or scattered). But the process is the same.
Snowflake pixies DO EXIST?
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