If religion made sense (attend, America, church, atheist)
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Beware the powers of the internet! Do you have tape over your camera?
What was that old movie? ""I Saw What You Did, And I Know Who You Are!"
I actually have a clever little doo-dad that I can slide closed to cover the camera or open when I want. It remains closed unless I am doing an online conference.
I feel very strongly about separation of church and state. History has demonstrated time and again that it is harmful to both.
And this is another area where I see religion making no sense. Separation of church and state means the religious get to follow their beliefs and practices. This is a good thing for the religious.
But there are some groups who try to introduce a theocracy one piece at a time. The problem for them is if they succeed, what if the theocracy leaders follow a different theology?
This is why I find it strange when moderate religious people attack US atheists for fighting for separation of church and state.
And this is another area where I see religion making no sense. Separation of church and state means the religious get to follow their beliefs and practices. This is a good thing for the religious.
But there are some groups who try to introduce a theocracy one piece at a time. The problem for them is if they succeed, what if the theocracy leaders follow a different theology?
This is why I find it strange when moderate religious people attack US atheists for fighting for separation of church and state.
People will have to learn how to vote/live divorced of their convictions, all the while feeling they are independent and free to choose.
And this is another area where I see religion making no sense. Separation of church and state means the religious get to follow their beliefs and practices. This is a good thing for the religious.
But there are some groups who try to introduce a theocracy one piece at a time. The problem for them is if they succeed, what if the theocracy leaders follow a different theology?
This is why I find it strange when moderate religious people attack US atheists for fighting for separation of church and state.
Well, part of the problem here is that christians have a hard time connecting the dots.
They are happy to brag (as they often do on this forum) that 75% of Americans self-identify as christians.
But then they can't connect the dots that the majority of people who commit sins in this nation are also christians. They don't seem to be able to figure out -- despite the many church scandals -- that many (probably most) men who hire prostitutes are christians. That many (probably most) people who are addicted to drugs are christians. More than half of our prison population are self-professed christians.
So the christian idea that if they can control control government there will be some christian land of no sin is a laugh. Similar to Pogo's discovery, they need to get to the point where they can admit that -- as much as any other group in this country -- they have met the enemy and it is them.
Well, part of the problem here is that christians have a hard time connecting the dots.
They are happy to brag (as they often do on this forum) that 75% of Americans self-identify as christians.
But then they can't connect the dots that the majority of people who commit sins in this nation are also christians. They don't seem to be able to figure out -- despite the many church scandals -- that many (probably most) men who hire prostitutes are christians. That many (probably most) people who are addicted to drugs are christians. More than half of our prison population are self-professed christians.
Ha, but they can then argue those are not true Christians, which links to one of several other arguments, which links to several other arguments, before coming back to where they started. I call it making a chain, and try to stop this before it starts.
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Originally Posted by phetaroi
So the christian idea that if they can control control government there will be some christian land of no sin is a laugh. Similar to Pogo's discovery, they need to get to the point where they can admit that -- as much as any other group in this country -- they have met the enemy and it is them.
Ha, but they can then argue those are not true Christians, which links to one of several other arguments, which links to several other arguments, before coming back to where they started. I call it making a chain, and try to stop this before it starts.
Pogo's discovery?
Famous American cartoon strip: "We have met the enemy and he is us."
Jawohl, that probably wouldn't be an immediate cultural reference point in Germany! I assume it refers to a cartoon figure (Pogo) who said "We have met the enemy, and he is us"... typically understood to mean that evil forces exist within, and not outside ourselves. Or "we are our own worst enemy." Here is one explanation for its origin:
This is a twist on Oliver Hazard Perry's words after a naval battle: “We have met the enemy, and they are ours.” The updated version was first used in the comic strip “Pogo,” by Walt Kelly, in the 1960s and referred to the turmoil caused by the Vietnam War.
ETA: Now I see that Trout already responded...
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