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Exactly, if religion were TRUE it would not require FAITH.
As Sam Harris would say : “It is time that we admitted that faith is nothing more than the license religious people give one another to keep believing when reasons fail.”
Does love require faith? The answer is yes. Does love make sense?
How you answer depends on you.
Can't read your comment, but a reasonable response would probably be that you still wouldn't believe. You've made up your mind, and don't really care about what makes sense.
I can't speak for any PARTICULAR atheist, but most of us, I dare say, came about it by having an open mind (try it sometime), analyzing the facts/dogmas, determing what makes sense, vs what is utter nonsense, and concluding that there is no god, no possibility of a god.
It is you believers who swallow the Kool_Aid by the pitcher-full with absolutely hermetically-sealed minds. You have your emotional blankie and sucking-thumb, and that is all she wrote, so to speak.
Yet you seem okay with projecting YOUR characteristics on others, because they long ago cast-off the blankies and took the thumbs out of their mouths as you seem so incapable of doing.
Very sad, but very true.
Last edited by Salty Water; 01-24-2021 at 12:59 PM..
Can't read your comment, but a reasonable response would probably be that you still wouldn't believe. You've made up your mind, and don't really care about what makes sense.
I believe that faith is required as part of the "system of the universe," but is NOT required for salvation.
I don't think you could have freewill if God was opaquely in front of you as you made your daily choices. Studies show that people behave differently when they know they are on camera. It is the same principle. So God has to stand back so you can have a more free freewill.
However, faith is not required for salvation for that reason along with he loves us all.
So far none of this is making sense of religion. Does love require Faith? It doesn't require it to happen. It requires it to believe it's working.
God is standing back to allow Free Will? It would work just as well if there is no god there and we just have a decision -making faculty, as much as even the lower animals do.
And if (as some believers of the UR types have suggested) there is no hellthreat, who cares anyway? Religion is just to make us feel good. I'm not persuaded that it works. I think we would do better to understand ourselves as reasoning animals, not overgrown infants in a god's (name you own) classroom.
Last edited by TRANSPONDER; 01-25-2021 at 12:38 AM..
So far none of this is making sense of religion. Does love require Faith? It doesn't require it to happen. It requires it to believe it's working.
God is standing back to allow Free Will? It would work just as well if there is no god there and we just have a decision -making faculty, as much as even the lower animals do.
And if (as some believers of the UR types have suggested) there is no hellthreat, who cares anyway? Religion is just to make us feel good. I'm not persuaded that it works. I think we would do better to understand ourselves as reasoning animals, not overgrown infants in a god's (name you own) classroom.
Our physical infants in the physical womb are developing the physical characteristics to achieve birth as a physical infant. We are in the new "spiritual womb" where we must develop the minimal spiritual characteristics (aka character) to achieve birth as a spiritual infant. The analogy is quite apt for the spiritual-minded. The carnal-minded seem to have a lot of difficulties accepting or understanding it.
Our physical infants in the physical womb are developing the physical characteristics to achieve birth as a physical infant. We are in the new "spiritual womb" where we must develop the minimal spiritual characteristics (aka character) to achieve birth as a spiritual infant. The analogy is quite apt for the spiritual-minded. The carnal-minded seem to have a lot of difficulties accepting or understanding it.
Your posts are no longer off the deep end. They are in the Marianas Trench. Holy Trieste, Batman!
Our physical infants in the physical womb are developing the physical characteristics to achieve birth as a physical infant. We are in the new "spiritual womb" where we must develop the minimal spiritual characteristics (aka character) to achieve birth as a spiritual infant. The analogy is quite apt for the spiritual-minded. The carnal-minded seem to have a lot of difficulties accepting or understanding it.
except no, it is NOT apt for spirit to use a physical model for spirit,
because spirit is not physical.
therefore it does not follow a physical biological model.
it is you who is so attached to physicality
to the point where you assign physical properties and physical processes to spirit.
this is another example of your attachment to (using your words here) a reductionist materialist view.
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