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What does morality have to do with the origin of life?
You're trying yourself in knots. Because there are two arguments here - a postulated creator that has no interaction with Humanity (let alone a particular religion) and a creator that does interact with humans and is probably mentally connected with a particular religion by the believer.
The first argument is academic. It has no practical effect on the way we live our lives. It does not, in fact, matter. It does not matter to sociologists, it does not matter to humanists, it does not matter to experts on ethics and (we profoundly hope) not to those who draft our laws. It does not matter to atheists, except as an interesting academic debate and of course as a jump -off springboard for the Theistic leap of Faith to the god of the Bible which (you fool nobody) is what you are actually talking about when you are trying to use the Sortagod -argument.
That's why when we say that it really makes no difference even if true, you THINK we are ignoring the implication on morality of a god that is interacting with us, and you momentarily forget that we are not talking about that personal creator, just as i forgot for a moment that you were pretending that you weren't talking about the god of the Bible.
That's why your Creator -claim is illogical. Where such a creator exists is neither here nor there. You waffle about 'higher plane' is just an excuse to claim that it is magically exempt from the logical rule that you have quoted.
..............Since natural origins is postulated, as at least equally possible, that leaves your beliefs nowhere other than something you claim as true when nobody knows.
However, what we can learn from the Bible is that God has His 'higher plane' heavenly home location -> 1st Kings 8:39,49.
Perhaps in some lower forms of life ' natural origins ' could be possible, but where higher human life in concerned is that Adam was a direct creation from the dust of the ground. That is why at death Adam 'returned' to the dust - Genesis 3:19
It can make an informed guess, and provide a plausible mechanism. While all that Creator-faith can do is point to an old book that is demonstrably wrong.
You don't even seem to understand that faith is what created the book. The ancient book has no bearing on the existence of a creator.
The book is just a book written by primates. But to you it seems to encapsulate all truth about the creator.
I’ve already answered that. Infinite causation is illogical. In addition, the creator of anything, especially as profound as life and the universe, certainly could exist on a higher plane that we. It is not a great leap to think this creator could have always existed or exists outside of time as we know it.
That's why you Creator -claim is illogical. Where such a creator exists is neither here nor there. You waffle about 'higher plane' is just an excuse to claim that it is magically exempt from the logical rule that you have quoted.
You had to do a lot of fiddling to try to make that work, and even then, it is only an hypothesis, and one driven by the need to prop up godfaith rather than ane desire to posit logical propositions.
But some the possibility of such a thing os conceded. It is no more than a rather debatable possibility. Since natural origins is postulated, as at least equally possible, that leaves your beliefs nowhere other than something you claim as true when nobody knows.
And for me, this is one of the bottom lines.
Let alone agreeing on worldwide religious beliefs...not even agreeing within christianity.
Why would anyone expect agreeing because Not all professing Christians are Christian.
Jesus forewarned us at Matthew 7:21-23 that MANY would call him Lord but are proving false.
So, the bottom line is that genuine ' wheat ' Christians keep Jesus' NEW commandment of John 13:34-35.
They have the same self-sacrificing love for others as Jesus has.
Also,they keep Jesus' instructions as found at Matthew 24:14; Acts 1:8 to spread the good news of God's Kingdom of Daniel 2:44 on an international scale as it is now being done world wide.
That's why you Creator -claim is illogical. Where such a creator exists is neither here nor there. You waffle about 'higher plane' is just an excuse to claim that it is magically exempt from the logical rule that you have quoted.
You had to do a lot of fiddling to try to make that work, and even then, it is only an hypothesis, and one driven by the need to prop up godfaith rather than ane desire to posit logical propositions.
But some the possibility of such a thing os conceded. It is no more than a rather debatable possibility. Since natural origins is postulated, as at least equally possible, that leaves your beliefs nowhere other than something you claim as true when nobody knows.
The existence of something beyond our understandable universe does not make it "magic". Just as lower primates probably think that humans are magic because of our abilities to do things beyond their understanding.
The only "magic" I can see is the belief by atheists that everything just magically appeared by itself. No thought or design went into the universe. That's the ultimate magical fantasy.
FLASH: Truth and facts aren't based on how many people believe something.
I find there is 'general truth' or 'truth in general ' (secular truth) and there is also the 'religious truth' of John 17:17 which Jesus taught that Scripture is religious truth. So, to me it is Not how many people (quantity) believe, but Jesus is looking for ' quality ' - Matthew 7:21-23
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