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Old 12-08-2018, 04:52 AM
 
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I would answer those in the science section, where I and others will happily provide the evidence. I say would as usually the religious avoid asking those questions there for some reason.
I would think that the science section is where one would definitely state that nobody knows the answers to those questions with absolute certainty.

One might say that the currently available evidence leads us to believe that a particular origin is the case, or that we have an idea of what might happen to one's conciousness after death, but at this time, nobody really knows for sure.

Again, all "creation" stories are myths, and claims of what happens after death are speculations.
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Old 12-08-2018, 04:57 AM
 
Location: S. Wales.
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I will debate you on two conditions. You use a Koine Greek Bible, and you read what the early Christians actually wrote. To make it easy for you, you only need to read Justin Martyr and Eusebius.
Ozzy.. don't take this guy on regarding the Bible He is a killer.
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Old 12-08-2018, 05:45 AM
 
Location: Germany
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I would think that the science section is where one would definitely state that nobody knows the answers to those questions with absolute certainty.

One might say that the currently available evidence leads us to believe that a particular origin is the case, or that we have an idea of what might happen to one's conciousness after death, but at this time, nobody really knows for sure.

Again, all "creation" stories are myths, and claims of what happens after death are speculations.
The evidence lies between your two extremes of Nobody really knows and absolute certainty.
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Old 12-08-2018, 06:12 AM
 
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The evidence lies between your two extremes of Nobody really knows and absolute certainty.
the truth lies between "deny everything for atheist perspective reasons" and "theist perspectives".

"alive" fits the bill.
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Old 12-08-2018, 06:19 AM
 
Location: Germany
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the truth lies between "deny everything for atheist perspective reasons" and "theist perspectives".

"alive" fits the bill.
W = fd.
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Old 12-08-2018, 07:14 AM
 
Location: USA
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A Christian told me today that Christianity is the only TRUE religion and that all other religions are "False" religions. So is Christianity the only TRUE religion?
A lifetime of experience has taught me that the one real "true religion" belongs, without fail, to the person I happen to be talking to at that particular moment. Unless of course I am talking with an atheist.

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Old 12-08-2018, 07:17 AM
 
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I will debate you on two conditions. You use a Koine Greek Bible, and you read what the early Christians actually wrote. To make it easy for you, you only need to read Justin Martyr and Eusebius.
It doesn't matter to me what 90% of early Christians believed. People have not really evolved in their religious beliefs since then. When I read the Bible I get a different understanding, and I don't understand how anyone else could not see.
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Old 12-08-2018, 07:18 AM
 
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W = fd.
exactly harry.
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Old 12-08-2018, 07:21 AM
 
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It doesn't matter to me what 90% of early Christians believed. People have not really evolved in their religious beliefs since then. When I read the Bible I get a different understanding, and I don't understand how anyone else could not see.
very true ozzy, people have been people since day 1. the words change, jesus, christ, spirit of the wolf, deam time, nirvana, but its all been the same thing.

people get hung up on words and not meaning. words just fall short, well, due to the fact langue is very similar to modeling. all models fall short. all 'perspectives" fall short in describing content.

you have to understand why people don't see it your way. answer this: why can't you be a professional athlete?
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Old 12-08-2018, 07:27 AM
 
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very true ozzy, people have been people since day 1. the words change, jesus, christ, spirit of the wolf, deam time, nirvana, but its all been the same thing.

people get hung up on words and not meaning. words just fall short, well, due to the fact langue is very similar to modeling. all models fall short. all 'perspectives" fall short in describing content.

you have to understand why people don't see it your way. answer this: why can't you be a professional athlete?
That's not a great example because it's brawn vs. brain.
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