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But you start at "Faith" needs no evidence.". You are starting with "I need no evidence to believe what I want to believe."
I just don't see how you thinks that's ok. Believe me GC, we atheist that think the exact same way. “They” don't care, not one bit, what science data shows, they will deny anything that points to us being part of a larger more complex system better described as life over describing it as non life.
I just do get how people can just belief what they want because they want to. people running around doing this leads us to anti-religious socialism and fascism theism. and they will kill anybody that doesn't follow a blind faith.
no GC, its about assigning traits to god. I just can't, in all honesty. teach that blind faith is anything but nonsense and dangerous. we would not have made cell phones if we just believed what we wanted.
There is a limited amount of intelligence given to us, based on which we explore, learn and do some spectacular things, but at the same time, there are much simpler things we can’t seem to do even if we wanted to do them, or better yet, we are challenged to do them.
We made cell phones, we are knocking at the door of planet Mars, yet, milk a cow and try to put the milk back in the udder through the same way it came out. You can’t.
We made spaceships yet we can’t create a functioning wing of a house fly.
Making cell phone is a great achievement but that doesn’t mean we have figured it ALL out. And now, we can do whatever we want.
Matter of fact, I just thought about it. From the perspective human’s knowledge and it’s capacity, perhaps the eventual and ultimate answer to every question is, “I don’t know”.
Whatever question I ask you and whatever answer you provide, and I keep digging deep into it by keep asking “Why?” to every subsequent reply you give, you will perhaps eventually say, “I don’t know”
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what traits do you assign it that lead back to what we know?
list one, lets see if we can link it to the standard model. its better you do it, but I think I need to show you how we think as apposed to what we think.
This could be an interesting discussion and I would be genuinely interested to know how does your brain think? But then at the same time, as the traits of God in my belief are based on faith, we will get into the same old, same old. Because, no matter what trait I tell you, we will start the “evidence and proof” game again.
However, I will give it a chance in hopes that we may take it beyond the proof n evidence game, and hope to see something interesting in a civil and friendly discussion.
Here is one. “He gives life and takes it away.”
You must not say that it’s a law of nature or its by our design etc, because then you will admit the existence of an astronomical amount of ” a force” that has designed us and then impleming this law and this process on us with such a perfect precision that not a single one of us several billions can make an exception. We all must taste death - no exceptions! 100% control of this force on ALL of us to make us go through this whether we like it or not.
Forget about each one of us having a unique finger prints or iris in the eye. Just look at the tiny size of a human voice box. This little organ seems to produces at least seven billion unique sounds as each one of us has unique voice - HECK science may verify it later but I think we all have our own unique style of walking.
And your brain tells you that there is no “controlling force” behind all this design and creation of uniqueness - And all of this is happening by chance and without any control?
I guess that depends on how you are defining "a faith". How can a dozen people take the teachings of christianity and come up with a dozen different takes on it. That's way too nebulous, and in my view tends to support the idea that these religions are not legitimate.
Exactly. Faith gets the Muslim, Jew, Christian and Mormon to believe divergent things. Faith is a lousy way to strive towards truth.
There is a limited amount of intelligence given to us, based on which we explore, learn and do some spectacular things, but at the same time, there are much simpler things we can’t seem to do even if we wanted to do them, or better yet, we are challenged to do them.
We made cell phones, we are knocking at the door of planet Mars, yet, milk a cow and try to put the milk back in the udder through the same way it came out. You can’t.
We made spaceships yet we can’t create a functioning wing of a house fly.
Making cell phone is a great achievement but that doesn’t mean we have figured it ALL out. And now, we can do whatever we want.
Matter of fact, I just thought about it. From the perspective human’s knowledge and it’s capacity, perhaps the eventual and ultimate answer to every question is, “I don’t know”.
Whatever question I ask you and whatever answer you provide, and I keep digging deep into it by keep asking “Why?” to every subsequent reply you give, you will perhaps eventually say, “I don’t know”
This could be an interesting discussion and I would be genuinely interested to know how does your brain think? But then at the same time, as the traits of God in my belief are based on faith, we will get into the same old, same old. Because, no matter what trait I tell you, we will start the “evidence and proof” game again.
However, I will give it a chance in hopes that we may take it beyond the proof n evidence game, and hope to see something interesting in a civil and friendly discussion.
Here is one. “He gives life and takes it away.”
You must not say that it’s a law of nature or its by our design etc, because then you will admit the existence of an astronomical amount of ” a force” that has designed us and then impleming this law and this process on us with such a perfect precision that not a single one of us several billions can make an exception. We all must taste death - no exceptions! 100% control of this force on ALL of us to make us go through this whether we like it or not.
Forget about each one of us having a unique finger prints or iris in the eye. Just look at the tiny size of a human voice box. This little organ seems to produces at least seven billion unique sounds as each one of us has unique voice - HECK science may verify it later but I think we all have our own unique style of walking.
And your brain tells you that there is no “controlling force” behind all this design and creation of uniqueness - And all of this is happening by chance and without any control?
Invisible universe creating pixies are behind it all. That is the force. This idea of some god thing is the universe creating pixies. The universe creating pixies are upset you keep referring to them as god. Not for sure how your line of thinking only leads to this god idea. As an atheist though, I lack a belief in the pixies and god.
So, “seeing is believing”, is that your philosophy?
That is a non sequitur of my post. My philosophy is follow the evidence. So if it appears as if a god is behaving as if it is not there, then that is strong evidence it really is not there. There are other possible explanations, so I balance the probabilities.
I think it doesn’t matter if I admit or not, the dictionary already told you what’s the meaning of (religious) faith”.
Except you was not only talking about (religious) faith, you was talking about faith in medicine.
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So, if “faith” is based on evidence then it’s not “faith” anymore as it does not meet the very definition of “faith” per the dictionary.
So now you admit we do NOT take medicines on faith. Why can you not keep your stories straight?
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Now that you, hopefully, learned the MEANINGS of the word “faith” , you won’t demand evidence when someone says he has faith in God, BECAUSE faith is NOT based on evidence.
Be careful of your back, those goal posts you are moving are heavy. So less of your arrogance, pride in your ignorance is not nice to see.
Now that you have learned the meaning of the word “faith”, most of your post does not warrant an answer.
I am sure you are smart and intelligent enough to figure it out with the newly learned piece of knowledge - but do Thank the dictionary though.
While you was moving the goal posts, your house built on sand sank.
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When it’s based on evidence then it’s NOT (religious) faith. Remember the definition of the word (religious) faith? That new piece of knowledge that you recently learned?
Such arrogant self defeat, it is tragic but amusing.
There is a limited amount of intelligence given to us, based on which we explore, learn and do some spectacular things, but at the same time, there are much simpler things we can’t seem to do even if we wanted to do them, or better yet, we are challenged to do them.
We made cell phones, we are knocking at the door of planet Mars, yet, milk a cow and try to put the milk back in the udder through the same way it came out. You can’t.
We made spaceships yet we can’t create a functioning wing of a house fly.
Making cell phone is a great achievement but that doesn’t mean we have figured it ALL out. And now, we can do whatever we want.
Matter of fact, I just thought about it. From the perspective human’s knowledge and it’s capacity, perhaps the eventual and ultimate answer to every question is, “I don’t know”.
Whatever question I ask you and whatever answer you provide, and I keep digging deep into it by keep asking “Why?” to every subsequent reply you give, you will perhaps eventually say, “I don’t know”
This could be an interesting discussion and I would be genuinely interested to know how does your brain think? But then at the same time, as the traits of God in my belief are based on faith, we will get into the same old, same old. Because, no matter what trait I tell you, we will start the “evidence and proof” game again.
However, I will give it a chance in hopes that we may take it beyond the proof n evidence game, and hope to see something interesting in a civil and friendly discussion.
Here is one. “He gives life and takes it away.”
You must not say that it’s a law of nature or its by our design etc, because then you will admit the existence of an astronomical amount of ” a force” that has designed us and then impleming this law and this process on us with such a perfect precision that not a single one of us several billions can make an exception. We all must taste death - no exceptions! 100% control of this force on ALL of us to make us go through this whether we like it or not.
Forget about each one of us having a unique finger prints or iris in the eye. Just look at the tiny size of a human voice box. This little organ seems to produces at least seven billion unique sounds as each one of us has unique voice - HECK science may verify it later but I think we all have our own unique style of walking.
And your brain tells you that there is no “controlling force” behind all this design and creation of uniqueness - And all of this is happening by chance and without any control?
its alot here, lets keep it simple, giveth and taketh.
word of caution, I do not tell anybody that blind (religious) faith is acceptable in any way shape or form. I only use what we know to describe those we don't know. I tell everybody, if it doesn't match regular commonsense and reason don't believe it.
Frankly, I will be using how you point to a definition of blind faith and how you deploy it to reach conclusion as an example of what to be aware of when I about it. And you are right. My observation based faith produced cell phones. blind faith produced very little past self help stuff. for me, its about how you believe, not what you believe.
also, "nobody knows". I do hope that you can just say "nobody knows for now" and do not say "nobody knows so it must be god". I mean, if nobody knows how do we insert "its god" when we don't know?
While you was moving the goal posts, your house built on sand sank.
Such arrogant self defeat, it is tragic but amusing.
I am not anti-theist, I am anti-blind-faith in every way shape or form possible. this thinking is exactly what helps religion be a weapon and this is what i fight. this blind faith of his is the root problem, not religion.
If people did not buy into "blind faith is acceptable" religion would soon be as powerful as the local youth soccer club. amerian soccer too, not that euro stuff.
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