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Does this point you bring up in your opening posting really need to be debated? Let me ask you honestly, Jeffbase40 (if you can truly find it in yourself to be truly honest in acknowledging the undeniable truth in what I'm saying):
How many many many many many many many many many many many many times in life have persons (even ardent Christians . . . and others) asked for innumerable meritorious and worthy things and had NOTHING come their ways....
Way too much logic in that post. And therefore many many many many many many many many many many many many.... ways it can be ignored. But I liked it!
Out of all those that pray, less than 0.01% "get their prayers answered."
You are correct.
There is a formula to prayer and most don't know it at ALL!
There is even a book ,"Prayer Answered Guaranteed!"...explaining the whole deal about prayer...
using the Bible itself.
There are so many factors or layers to receive what you ask for, desire, think about...I was 'confronted strongly' once at an Easter dinner with Evangelicals by a New Life, born again
lady that asked me a bunch of questions to 'see' what I believed...checking me out, LOL! OMG.
Can't blame her, I was the newbie.
I must have said something about, yes, believing in prayer, or whatever she was grilling me about,
and she was all, "Oh yeah?" (soooo typical)
"WELL! We all prayed for my mom and she still died!"Grrrr...
Hahahaha, lol, not what I was expecting from this group of 10...4 knew me well, including the hosts.
She had no idea all the factors involved in receiving your prayer or allowing it is a good word.
So when a prayer doesn't come about...people mock prayer itself and God...nope, not how it works.
Look at those involved ...those praying and the recipient...not God, btw...or the Universe, if you will.
And I'm not here to educate people....do that on your own. Not the thread for it.
(I have started threads on prayer before, tho.... after my coffee.)
Isn't it obvious? This is a clear soul that finally said, "OK, I'm now ready to receive
my karma to balance the scales of the Universe, reaping what I sowed, for being
a Mongolian warrior in the 13thc throwing babies into the fire pit....and enjoying it.
And to be born the child of the most despicably, selfish people."
2 birds one stone...pay them back for their cruel, horrible past lives...
All around, learning selflessness to care for another, while becoming humble to ask for help...
benefiting those helping, also... showing and practicing kindness and non-judgment.
It's all a win-win!
If God created the universe, then He also created tumorous cancers, viruses, and birth defects. That means that God DID THIS ON PURPOSE! It's all part of God's plan.
Thank you Jesus!
On the other hand, if life is simply a biological process at work, cancers and birth defects and the like are no less tragic, but they are the result of an imperfect natural process. No one is to blame because there is no intelligent plan at work. Life is a risk we all take, and we will all lose eventually.
I have been told by some Christians in the past that God DID NOT create cancers, viruses, birth defects and the like. Satan created them to plague humanity. Cancers, viruses, birth defects and the like occur across the board in all species. So Satan is just being mean to animals who have no clue as to why. And since God created Satan, and God is omnipotent and omniscient (He knows EVERYTHING), God knew that Satan would plague the world with cancers, viruses, birth defects and the like when he was created by God. So ultimately cancers, viruses, birth defects and the like have always been a part of God's plan.
I have been accused of being offensive in the past for referring to religion as silly. But I am a member of the human race, and I find the sort of foolish contradictory logic being peddled by others of my species as if these conclusions had some actual relationship to anything valid to be rather embarrassing.
that just proves they have some of the traits wrong. god could have created the natural universe the best way that he could. I am not sure why theist don't say it like that.
OK, let's suppose it is a miracle. How does this prove Jesus is not imaginary? What proof is there that Jesus is responsible for the miracle?
Let's not forget that this is the claim you have made.
It is evidence. Another log of evidence to throw on the big pile. There is very little you can prove beyond ANY doubt. So no, I can't prove that there is not anything but Christ at work here. Just like you can't prove that your parents are not secretly lizard people in disguise. The thread title is being a bit facetious in response to the ridiculous claim that a dead missionary proves there is no Jesus. Funny I didn't see any atheists arguing against that point.
It is evidence. Another log of evidence to throw on the big pile.
That is a big pile of very bad evidence. You could use it as fertilizer.
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Originally Posted by jeffbase40
The thread title is being a bit facetious in response to the ridiculous claim that a dead missionary proves there is no Jesus. Funny I didn't see any atheists arguing against that point.
So you did either not look or did not understand those arguing against that point. It does explain a lot about you and your posts.
It is evidence. Another log of evidence to throw on the big pile. There is very little you can prove beyond ANY doubt. So no, I can't prove that there is not anything but Christ at work here. Just like you can't prove that your parents are not secretly lizard people in disguise. The thread title is being a bit facetious in response to the ridiculous claim that a dead missionary proves there is no Jesus. Funny I didn't see any atheists arguing against that point.
No. It isn't evidence. It's just your opinion.
And by the way, if you think I didn't argue against "the ridiculous claim that a dead missionary proves there is no Jesus", then you didn't read the thread. I got into an extended argument about just that.
It is evidence. Another log of evidence to throw on the big pile. There is very little you can prove beyond ANY doubt. So no, I can't prove that there is not anything but Christ at work here. Just like you can't prove that your parents are not secretly lizard people in disguise. The thread title is being a bit facetious in response to the ridiculous claim that a dead missionary proves there is no Jesus. Funny I didn't see any atheists arguing against that point.
I have no argument with you choosing to believe Jesus healed her; only with claiming it could not have been anything else so must have been Jesus.
It is evidence. Another log of evidence to throw on the big pile. There is very little you can prove beyond ANY doubt. So no, I can't prove that there is not anything but Christ at work here. Just like you can't prove that your parents are not secretly lizard people in disguise. The thread title is being a bit facetious in response to the ridiculous claim that a dead missionary proves there is no Jesus. Funny I didn't see any atheists arguing against that point.
Yes. It IS evidence. But what is the evidence telling us? If you have one example that might serve to conform to evidence that God exists, and thousands of examples that are consistent with a God who is entirely made up and never existed to begin with, what valid conclusions are to be made?
The question then becomes, should we draw our conclusions based solely on impartial statistical analysis of the total of examples, or do we simply ignore the overwhelming majority of the "evidence" that does not conform to the desired conclusion, and only consider as valid the small minority of examples which happen to conform to the desired conclusion?
What we have here is a perfect encapsulation of the vast difference between empirical science and religious belief.
In reality, we have an epidemic of posters saying they "have proof"...on both sides of the aisle. I've seen little proof in this whole subforum.
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checking me out, LOL! OMG.
