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I'd also suggest watching this video if you doubt its divine authorship:
So you use the Bible to prove the Bible? Brilliant!
The video is standard Christian apologetics. AS for witnesses. You realise that the anonymous authors of your gospel never even met your Jesus right?
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No, they did not. The message of the Gospel stood in complete contrast to Greek and other forms of paganism. No Greek would have submitted to Zeus or any other false god as a doulos - a slave. They considered their gods as friends, ancestors, etc. Pagans abhorred humility and looked down on their slaves. However, if you believe that Jesus paid the full and complete price for your sins, then you acknowledge He has purchased you for redemption that that you are not your own. I am not my own; I happily profess that I am a slave of Christ Jesus, the One who purchased me.
Happy to be a slave! Yep! That's just how the Church wants you to be. Personally, I value myself more highly.
Not Wallace, the ex policeman who works from the premise the gospels are eyewitness accounts, to come to the conclusion they are eyewitness accounts, when we know they are not eyewitness accounts?
If he uses the same methods as a Christian as he did a sa policeman, he has probably sent more innocent men to death row than guilty ones.
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No, they did not. The message of the Gospel stood in complete contrast to Greek and other forms of paganism. No Greek would have submitted to Zeus or any other false god as a doulos - a slave. They considered their gods as friends, ancestors, etc. Pagans abhorred humility and looked down on their slaves. However, if you believe that Jesus paid the full and complete price for your sins, then you acknowledge He has purchased you for redemption that that you are not your own. I am not my own; I happily profess that I am a slave of Christ Jesus, the One who purchased me.
Yes, NDEs are going to match up to what we have been taught during our lives, and others have said the same thing here, but they are still all so remarkably similar.
According to the science on NDEs, they are remarkably different, and demonstrate they are cultural constructs of the brain.
So you use the Bible to prove the Bible? Brilliant!
The video is standard Christian apologetics. AS for witnesses. You realise that the anonymous authors of your gospel never even met your Jesus right?
So you didn't watch the video, did you? You're the one who asked for evidence, but you do not accept it. Here it is for you again. This man was an atheist homicide detective who decided to apply his skill set to evaluate the veracity of the Bible. Well, having done that, he's now a Christian!
The lack of mention of the destruction of the temple in 70 AD reveals the Gospels were written before that time. The Book of Acts also does not mention what transpired in 70 AD. Many people tell lies that these books were written after 70 AD.
As J. Warner Wallace says, this is akin to a history book of NYC that omits the events of 9/11. What does that tell you about the time such a history book would have been written?
No, what we have in the Gospel is akin to a prediction of 9/11 in a history book of NYC that we can prove was written beforehand. We know this, as Jesus predicted the destruction of the temple.
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Happy to be a slave! Yep! That's just how the Church wants you to be. Personally, I value myself more highly.
I am a slave of Christ, not a slave of man. The "church" refers to the body of Christ. It is the community of believers. It is NOT any one specific institution. Fellow believers are brothers and sisters in Christ. We are to serve and minister to one another for the Lord's sake. That is, our highest and ultimate service is to God.
Well, if I had listened to real historians and not internet historians, I might not have been fooled into losing my faith at the age of 14. One of the things that internet historians claim is that the Gospel is built on pagan myths and all that nonsense. However, this is false. These are lies. Here's a very instructive video:
As J. Warner Wallace says, this is akin to a history book of NYC that omits the events of 9/11. What does that tell you about the time such a history book would have been written?
No, what we have in the Gospel is akin to a prediction of 9/11 in a history book of NYC that we can prove was written beforehand. We know this, as Jesus predicted the destruction of the temple.
Since you bring it up, do you also believe that 9/11 was an inside job... and that the moon landing was filmed in a Hollywood studio... and that the CIA/Mafia/LBJ killed JFK? Because you seem to be prone to accepting conspiracy theories, as opposed to relying on actual historical evidence...
Um the Bible has been rewritten countless times, in different versions of Hebrew I believe, historically, then re-re-re transcribed to fit the political power/royalty at what’re given time... and
Are people supposed to ignore this history? Fact based history?
The Bible is cherry-picked/selectively interpreted by everyone to suit their ideas. Everyone knows this.
(Rhetorical question) Who is King James and why is his version so special?
It’s less draconian? Well, yeah, the super evil scary stuff was rejected over time.
Religion is, of course extremely important throughout history. Faith among individuals and communities can do enormous good.
But... there is always a but.
I’m not willing to accept having people be punished, forced or denied any secular law or right because an un-cited ancient political alleged theory demands it kinda-sorta - but you have to refer to the right version and believe so-and-so’s interpretation...
No. No. No. For those who cherish and rely on the Bible (current rewrite/edition) that is their right. According to US documents. But that’s where it’s supposed to stop.
It’s insane to expect people who don’t follow that book (which is pretty vague and hypocritical, deliberately in my view) to accept secular legislation based on it?
Hell no.
Stunning and alarming that this is an issue. Anywhere at all.
Endnote: per the Bible, everyone is going to hell. It doesn’t take much! Oh but repentance is the cure? Well, that applies universally. So sin, repentance/forgiveness = Heaven. Yay! Everyone is equal!
Yeah.. it just has no place in secular law. Period.
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