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Sorry, I deleted the post but since you cited it I'll respond.
It's not so much of what you believe, it's how you work to limit the discussions to your fundamentalistic paradigm... you are anti-forum, that's why you always behave like a petulant child, name-calling and sneering.
If you ever mature, you'll learn you do not need to pick any sides when you are seeking to understand others.
Sorry, I deleted the post but since you cited it I'll respond.
It's not so much of what you believe, it's how you work to limit the discussions to your fundamentalistic paradigm... you are anti-forum, that's why you always behave like a petulant child, name-calling and sneering.
If you ever mature, you'll learn you do not need to pick any sides when you are seeking to understand others.
Why would I waste my time with those absolutely trifling questions? Perhaps you think I'm lying*, but I was an atheist for the majority of my adult life. That is, from high school until now, at age 28. I am all too familiar with that way of thinking. I have also come to observe that science is often radically turned on its head, and the expectations of scientists are frequently contradicted. I don't remember if it was you, but someone insinuated I was "lying for Jesus."
I would not have faith if God had not given faith to me. I know that it unnerves atheists to hear about ex-atheists finding faith in God. They can't even fathom it, for the most part. But in retrospect, it's hard to believe I was so blind.
It's hard to make people see the truth when they don't want to see it. But the truth is just so clear to me now. My eyes have been opened. I see the overwhelming evidence for God and creation in general, and I consider all the supernatural occurrences that have been reported on so many occasions. God has even done this for me, to ameliorate my faith! When God actually does something in your life, at that point it's QED. There's no going back - only forward.
I really don't wish hell upon anyone. Wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy. But it's very real. The only One who can save any of us from it is Jesus. And so I say to you (and not just you, but many others): it's your eternal soul. Your eternal destiny. Don't say I didn't warn you. Surrender yourself to Jesus.
*In case you think I'm lying about being an atheist, I'd have to be one persistent liar! I'll quote just a few posts of mine on this very forum from years past:
Rather, it's Christians find it unnerving that atheists can simply not believe in a god, let alone the Jesus -story.
Atheists being converted is only too likely. Christian apologetics have a great deal of effort put into being persuasive, and an atheist has to be pretty well informed to show where the apologetics don't stack up. We aim to provide the information.
If you don't want to argue the points just say so.
Or are you just here for the cute one liners?
Even cute one-liners are better than walls of scripture claiming that the Bible is true because the Bible says it's true.
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I won't shrug my shoulders and deny it all. Explain, maybe. Not deny.
You might be surprised when I tell you Christianity is a cult in the sense that a cult, in the broadest sense of the word, is simply a religious system with particular rites and customs.
Christianity is a blood cult.
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There are plenty of historians who've written about Jesus. Josephus for one.
Aaaaaaaaahahahaha! There it is TRANS. It's a forgery by the Liars for Jesus. Here. Educate yourself on what the world's foremost authority on Josephus, Louis H Feldman says about it....
"We may remark here on the passage in Josephus which has occasioned by far more comment than any other, the so-called Testimonium Flavianum (Ant. XVIII. 63 - 4) concerning Jesus. The passage appears in all our manuscripts; but a considerable number of Christian writers - Pseudo-Justin and Theophilus in the second century, Minucius Felix, Irenaeus, Clement of Alexandria, Julius Africanus, Tertullian, Hippolytus and Origen in the third century, and Methodius and Pseudo-Eustathius in the early fourth century - who knew Josephus and cited from his works do not refer to this passage, though one would imagine that it would be the first passage that a Christian apologist would cite. In particular, Origen (Contra Celsum 1.47 and Commentary on Matthew 10.17), who certainly knew Book 18 of the Antiquities and cites five passages from it, explicitly states that Josephus did not believe in Jesus as Christ. The first to cite the Testimonium is Eusebius (c. 324); and even after him, we may note, there are eleven Christian writers who cite Josephus but not the Testimonium. In fact, it is not until Jerome in the early fifth century that we have another reference to it
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Everything I cite when talking about God, Jesus, the Bible is - yes - going to come from the Bible. Why wouldn't I?
...because it is circular reasoning.
'It's all true.'
'How do you know?'
'It's in the Bible.'
'How do you know that the Bible is true?'
'Because the Bible says it is...and the Bible is true.'
Do you see it?
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Why would I waste my time with those absolutely trifling questions?
You said that you would be able to show us where the ToE fails. I want to find out if it's worth the effort of challenging you on that. I want to find out whether you do actually know anything about the ToE or whether you simply copy and past from your favourite 'Lying for Jesus' bible apologist site such as Answers in Genesis. So I asked you two very simple questions that anyone with even just a basic knowledge of the ToE would know...and you don't know the answer - which tells me that you simply vomit up the pseudo-science that your religious handlers (so well versed in Lying for Jesus) feed you, without actually understanding what you are saying. This is also obvious with you referring to Josephus as writing about Jesus in the T.F. when scholars on both sides of the argument accept that it a Christian interpolation. It is only idiotic Liars for Jesus that use Josephus as proof of Jesus.
If you had actually knew even a smidgen of what you claim is true you wouldn't have gone anywhere near Josephus and gone instead for someone like Tacitus who is at least a little more believable (though still easily debunked).
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I have also come to observe that science is often radically turned on its head, and the expectations of scientists are frequently contradicted.
Unlike religion, science never says..'This is true' and that is the wonderful thing about it - it is always seeking to improve and change as new evidence comes to light...unlike religion.
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I don't remember if it was you, but someone insinuated I was "lying for Jesus."
Yes you are - by claiming that you can disprove the ToE when you clearly don't know the first thing about it.
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I would not have faith if God had not given faith to me. I know that it unnerves atheists to hear about ex-atheists finding faith in God.
No more than it unnerves us to hear about Christians loosing their 'faith' and becoming atheists, Buddhist, Muslims or Hindus. The only thing that 'unnerves' me about you finding 'faith' is that you are now prepared to abandon reason, logic and common sense and instead - believe something is true on nothing more that wilful ignorance and superstition. THAT is indeed 'unnerving'.
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They can't even fathom it, for the most part.
Sure we can. We simply accept that people's beliefs change through their lives. I mean, I used to believe in Santa Claus...until I grew up.
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It's hard to make people see the truth when they don't want to see it.
Yes. We experience it with Christians every day.
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But the truth is just so clear to me now.
It's for you to demonstrate that it is true. It is your 'belief'. Whether or not that belief is true or not remains unknown.
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My eyes have been opened. I see the overwhelming evidence for God and creation in general,...
The same is said by millions of people who believe in different gods to you. You can't all be right - but you can all be wrong.
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I really don't wish hell upon anyone. Wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy. But it's very real.
We await your verifiable evidence for that claim.
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The only One who can save any of us from it is Jesus. And so I say to you (and not just you, but many others): it's your eternal soul. Your eternal destiny. Don't say I didn't warn you. Surrender yourself to Jesus.
Oh, I think it's even more than that. Look at Mystic's post. He's practically saying that we must believe in it.
Mystic is a bit of a one -off in that respect. At times he has stated that of course it's just his beliefs and we don't have to accept it, but at other times he posts like it's unquestionable fact.
Other theists apologists do at least seem to ask Why we don't believe what they say. There are, of course, the ones who post Scripture like it was evidence of something.
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