Atheism As A REJECTION OF--Not Disbelief In--An Evil God (preaching, translation, church)
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Why are you so harsh? In the other post you've used words like naiivity, error thinking, lack of maturity. I don't believe that I have done a thing to you.
Do you treat people this way face to face too?
Thrill suffers from extreme abreaction to his prior belief in God in a fundamentalist church that induced him to expect unreasonable things from God based on the magical thinking he was indoctrinated with. Psychological abreactions are usually very severe because they are born of years of accumulated frustration and are generally broadly projected to any and all targets that resemble the earlier frustrations. It is not you personally that is the focus of his unbridled rage, QB. He is indiscriminately discharging his pent up frustrations. Your trust in a loving God is justified.
You're right. 35-40 years ago I wouldn't have listened because I just wasn't ready to receive the truth like I am now.
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The fact I am is a result of two factors: maturity and the Internet.
LOLOLOL!! Maturity and the Internet? In the same sentence? You MUST be joking, thrill...
First time I used the Internet, I turned to my late husband and said, "Most of the stuff on here is b.s.…"
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The Internet is the greatest anti-Christian tool out there, to the despair of Christians.
Yeah, and because SOME of it speaks out about Christianity, that "makes" it the "truth"...
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The Internet is responsible for the single biggest drop in Christianity in the last 25 years. The Internet, along with the Bible itself, will be the two greatest powers to vanquish Christianity from the face of the earth. Give them 50 years when the present generation has died off for this to happen.
So you say...as a presenter...ON the Internet...
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QuakerBaker may be 18, s/he may be 80--who knows. I've seen 80 year olds (mostly men) call themselves 18 on forums, I've seen 18 year olds (rare) call themselves 80. Anything is possible in the shady anonymous world of the Internet. Even with a photo you can't really believe anyone. So are we too easy on her (or him)? Impossible to say.
O.k. So you're applying the same "logic" to QuakerBaker as you do to the bible. You don't know for sure if QB is 18, so you assume the worst.
You've already make your conclusion without fact. Isn't that a bit hypocritical?
Thrillobyte,
If you have had a severely bad experience with Christianity I apologize and am sorry. No doubt the current crisis is making many people more stressed and that compounds any old wounds. So no offense taken to what I saw as harshness.
I hope you find peace whatever that may be for you.
As far as expectant waiting, you just have to get away from sounds so you can listen deep into yourself and try to make a connection to God, which binds us all together. It is very therapeutic. Almost everywhere you go you can hear sounds from man, lawn mowers, cars, airplanes, boat motors, etc... Just get out in nature and listen far away from man made sounds and try to connect in...
I don't understand how freewill must not allow someone the right to intrude upon someone else's freewill. It seems like true freewill must allow for the possibility of evil choices. Then again, I am so immature and so naiive, so....I guess that is why I have error processes in my brain. Well I do have severe anxiety and esteem issues... I hope I haven't talked down to you and that is why you are doing it to me. I respect your ability to disagree with me and retain your personhood and esteem.
P.S. About two and a half years ago as a junior I was visiting some girls from my high school already in college where I was sexually assaulted, I never once stopped my love for Jesus. I am not perfect and I still resent that school a bit, but I don't see your point. I exercised my freewill during and after the attack.
You just stated that you think evil is a subjective opinion - so what makes you think that the two of us could reach some perfect agreement on the definition of evil.
Since you are talking about killing babies.... I am Pro-Life, which some find evil in and of itself. I am Pro-Life on Abortion, Pro-Life against the Death Penalty, Pro-Life for a national healthcare system, and Pro-Life as a vegetarian. I believe there is a certain value in promoting life, quality of life, and especially for those that are weaker.
If you were to disagree with me on any or all of my Pro-Life positions, I wouldn't think that makes you evil or less of a person. All of those issues are complicated with shades of gray. I haven't walked in other people's shoes and can't always see what they see. Many smart and honest people disagree with me on those. As you stated, much of it is subjective and opinionated.
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P.S. About two and a half years ago as a junior I was visiting some girls from my high school already in college where I was sexually assaulted, I never once stopped my love for Jesus. I am not perfect and I still resent that school a bit, but I don't see your point. I exercised my freewill during and after the attack.
Again, my definition of evil is to be found in the terrible things that humans do to each other.
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You just stated that you think evil is a subjective opinion - so what makes you think that the two of us could reach some perfect agreement on the definition of evil.
Certainly one would think that we should be able to reach a general agreement on the definition of the meaning of evil. "Perfect agreement" is perhaps too much to hope for.
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Since you are talking about killing babies.... I am Pro-Life, which some find evil in and of itself. I am Pro-Life on Abortion, Pro-Life against the Death Penalty, Pro-Life for a national healthcare system, and Pro-Life as a vegetarian. I believe there is a certain value in promoting life, quality of life, and especially for those that are weaker.
If you were to disagree with me on any or all of my Pro-Life positions, I wouldn't think that makes you evil or less of a person. All of those issues are complicated with shades of gray. I haven't walked in other people's shoes and can't always see what they see. Many smart and honest people disagree with me on those. As you stated, much of it is subjective and opinionated.
Numbers 31:
[15] And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive?
[16] Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to commit trespass against the LORD in the matter of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the LORD.
[17] Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.
[18] But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.
Joshua 6:
[20] So the people shouted when the priests blew with the trumpets: and it came to pass, when the people heard the sound of the trumpet, and the people shouted with a great shout, that the wall fell down flat, so that the people went up into the city, every man straight before him, and they took the city.
[21] [b]And they utterly destroyed all that was in the city, both man and woman, young and old, and ox, and sheep, and ass, with the edge of the sword.
Joshua 11:
19 Except for the Hivites living in Gibeon, not one city made a treaty of peace with the Israelites, who took them all in battle. 20 For it was the Lord himself who hardened their hearts to wage war against Israel, so that he might destroy them totally, exterminating them without mercy, as the Lord had commanded Moses.
Ezekiel 9:
[4] And the LORD said unto him, Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and set a mark upon the foreheads of the men that sigh and that cry for all the abominations that be done in the midst thereof.
[5] And to the others he said in mine hearing, Go ye after him through the city, and smite: let not your eye spare, neither have ye pity:
[6] Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and women: but come not near any man upon whom is the mark; and begin at my sanctuary. Then they began at the ancient men which were before the house.
[7] And he said unto them, Defile the house, and fill the courts with the slain: go ye forth. And they went forth, and slew in the city.
Samuel 1 15:
[2] Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt.
[3] Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.
This then is the God of the Bible. Your God! The God you worship.
In my concept of evil, nothing could possibly be more evil than hacking babies to death. Yet, according to the Bible, YOUR GOD ordered it done!
So the question becomes, Is supporting and justifying hacking babies to death evil? Is the very act of worshiping a deity that would order the hacking of babies to death evil?
Perhaps the larger question here is, do you really fully comprehend what it is that you think you believe? Or is your understanding little more than the result of a lifetime of indoctrination? The same sort of indoctrination that the faithful of every other belief system the world over have undergone.
I don't understand how freewill must not allow someone the right to intrude upon someone else's freewill. It seems like true freewill must allow for the possibility of evil choices. Then again, I am so immature and so naiive, so....I guess that is why I have error processes in my brain. Well I do have severe anxiety and esteem issues... I hope I haven't talked down to you and that is why you are doing it to me. I respect your ability to disagree with me and retain your personhood and esteem.
P.S. About two and a half years ago as a junior I was visiting some girls from my high school already in college where I was sexually assaulted, I never once stopped my love for Jesus. I am not perfect and I still resent that school a bit, but I don't see your point. I exercised my freewill during and after the attack.
Look, Quaker, it's not a sin to be 18. It's not expected of you to be seasoned and mature like someone my age because frankly it's impossible. The kind of maturity I have only comes about with years and experience. I can tell you that you are naïve and be pretty accurate because kids your age are naïve. That's to be expected of them.
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Perhaps you mean you exercised your freewill to stay faithful to Jesus. Young girls do that. The only ones I can think of who don't are the ones who testify about being sexually abused so horrifically as children that they lose all hope and belief in God, and who can blame them? Their innocence, their psyche is shattered. Frankly, the talk of Jesus loving them sounds so ludicrous to them as to be insulting. Again, who can blame them? For them, Jesus was nowhere to be seen, heard or felt during their darkest days and nights. Again, you seem not to be able to pick up on this kind of despair, Quaker. Part of your naïvety probably. Maybe insensitivity too, who knows.
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Thrillobyte,
If you have had a severely bad experience with Christianity I apologize and am sorry. No doubt the current crisis is making many people more stressed and that compounds any old wounds. So no offense taken to what I saw as harshness.
I hope you find peace whatever that may be for you.
My heaven's, Quaker, so serious! Calm down. Nothing I said was meant to be insulting. I told you it's no sin to be naïve at 18. When I was your age I was 10x's more naïve than you. Why so violent??
Absolutely, thrill...If I can dish it out, I'd BETTER be able to take it...right? Go for it...
All right, Mink. Shall you start or shall I? I have 5 posts to ask you questions and you respond and you have 5 posts to ask me and I respond. Total 20 posts. Agreed?
You're right. 35-40 years ago I wouldn't have listened because I just wasn't ready to receive the truth like I am now. The fact I am is a result of two factors: maturity and the Internet. The Internet is the greatest anti-Christian tool out there, to the despair of Christians. The Internet is responsible for the single biggest drop in Christianity in the last 25 years. The Internet, along with the Bible itself, will be the two greatest powers to vanquish Christianity from the face of the earth. Give them 50 years when the present generation has died off for this to happen.
QuakerBaker may be 18, s/he may be 80--who knows. I've seen 80 year olds (mostly men) call themselves 18 on forums, I've seen 18 year olds (rare) call themselves 80. Anything is possible in the shady anonymous world of the Internet. Even with a photo you can't really believe anyone. So are we too easy on her (or him)? Impossible to say.
maybe, but for you and me. Think of how the you now can speak to the you of then and get through to him.
To me, You make your position look anti-god-ish. anti- something more not more deities. When in fact, you know the science points to anti-god as silly a notion as a biblegod.
How can you get through to you?
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