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I haven't read the whole thread, but no doubt someone's pointed out free will, bad choices, the fall, etc.
The disconnect of human perceptions versus those of a deity is a topic all sides and beliefs should probably tread lightly on. I personally believe that things like ancient history and the nature of the universe are far more mysterious and complex than conventional thinking allows for.
Not so, whatsoever. Conventional,, i.e. secular, thinking is the only thing that will help us sort our the mysterious Universe created by M. Pele'!!!
Not so, whatsoever. Conventional,, i.e. secular, thinking is the only thing that will help us sort our the mysterious Universe created by M. Pele'!!!
No, secular thinking is too closed off, too limiting, too presumptive.
Of course, there is always the possibility of stumbling upon something that will change their minds.
No, secular thinking is too closed off, too limiting, too presumptive.
Of course, there is always the possibility of stumbling upon something that will change their minds.
My lad, you have is Bass Ackwards. Secular thinking is free from the mind-cloud and closemindedness imposed by "belief".
Secular thinking is the opposite of "closed off". No doubt you just make this stuff up as you go, but it doesn't make for meaningful debate.
No, secular thinking is too closed off, too limiting, too presumptive.
Of course, there is always the possibility of stumbling upon something that will change their minds.
I think it would be better to just call it critical thinking. There is nothing closed off about critical thinking. In fact if done properly, critical thinking takes all of consequence into consideration in order to draw the most appropriate conclusion.
As for anyone changing their minds here, my critical thinking tells me the odds of that happening are about as high as God posting a comment in this forum to finally clear up matters for all of us.
No, secular thinking is too closed off, too limiting, too presumptive.
Of course, there is always the possibility of stumbling upon something that will change their minds.
I don't think so sub.
Remember atheist have all sorts of beliefs. They range from living planet to cosmic mind and all points in-between. Like Buddhist for example. And a pantheist god is not a deity at all to me. Try not to lump us all into one pot.
Separation of church and state is must. We can't have laws justified solely on "god said so". Its just to dicey.
Remember atheist have all sorts of beliefs. They range from living planet to cosmic mind and all points in-between. Like Buddhist for example. And a pantheist god is not a deity at all to me. Try not to lump us all into one pot.
Separation of church and state is must. We can't have laws justified solely on "god said so". Its just to dicey.
Seems to me you got this right...
Past time for me to sign off again and move on to other things, but as I do, I'm reminded of the "America love it or leave it" mantra that some like to espouse. I'm not one of those people. Not at all, but I wonder if those who are anti-secular might change their tune a bit if they lived awhile in a country where theology rules the land rather than secularism.
I think it would be better to just call it critical thinking. There is nothing closed off about critical thinking. In fact if done properly, critical thinking takes all of consequence into consideration in order to draw the most appropriate conclusion.
As for anyone changing their minds here, my critical thinking tells me the odds of that happening are about as high as God posting a comment in this forum to finally clear up matters for all of us.
That works. Religion, IMHO, clouds the mind so much that critical thinking is impossible.
Remember atheist have all sorts of beliefs. They range from living planet to cosmic mind and all points in-between. Like Buddhist for example. And a pantheist god is not a deity at all to me. Try not to lump us all into one pot.
Separation of church and state is must. We can't have laws justified solely on "god said so". Its just to dicey.
Various and sundry atheists may hold such beliefs, but atheism per se doesn't, IMHO.
That works. Religion, IMHO, clouds the mind so much that critical thinking is impossible.
When I was teaching earth science, which included evolution (a part of the state curriculum), one year I had five religious parents who said -- literally -- "I don't want my child to think".
It often isn't so much that religion clouds the mind, it's often that religion forbids critical thinking.
When I was teaching earth science, which included evolution (a part of the state curriculum), one year I had five religious parents who said -- literally -- "I don't want my child to think".
It often isn't so much that religion clouds the mind, it's often that religion forbids critical thinking.
I won't disagree with you but it seems to me to be a distinction without too much of a difference. Either way it interferes with rational though. JMHO
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