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I'd like to move past all the quarreling and get back to the topic of the thread. Here is an observation from a critic of the idea that Jesus was prophesied in the OT. This is what I've been saying:
"To position Jesus as fulfiller of prophecy, Matthew chooses descriptive details from Isaiah and crafts them into elaborations on the reports and clues that he found in Mark. The reason Jesus' movements match the words of prophecy so closely—though not exactly—is that Matthew has derived Jesus' itinerary from those very words."
In other words, Matthew had nothing to base his gospel on since Jesus never existed. So he opened the OT and searched for various details that he could then wove into his story of the Christian avatar god man, Jesus. Isaiah 53 was ripe with juicy adjective of a suffering person and that was an ideal portrait of a Messiah so Matthew incorporated the entire chapter into his story.
Take Matthew 2:23 for example.
Nowhere in the Old Testament does the statement, "He shall be called a Nazarene" appear. Yet Matthew tries to pass this off as an OT prophecy about Jesus--even though the supposed "prophecy" appears nowhere in the Bible!!!!
Apparently you do since you keep responding to what I post.
I'm not trying to teach you about the bible. And "we" wish you would stop trying to teach us. We know how to read, if we wish to read.
Sorry sir, you don't have the secret Jesus decoder ring. If you try to read the The Gospels and the letters of Paul.... it is going to be all Greek to you.
Sorry sir, you don't have the secret Jesus decoder ring. If you try to read the The Gospels and the letters of Paul.... it is going to be all Greek to you.
I'm waiting for it to come as a vision...you know...rays of light streaming down from above, and a glowing Jesus comes down an escalator out of a velvet cloud of heavenly mist....oh wait...wrong nightmare.
Why would the term " PIERCED ", always used scripturally in every other instance in application to the singular be used in this one instance in mis-application referring to multiple war dead ?
Are you even aware of how many scriptural one-offs you create in this flailing & feeble attempt to eviscerate the mighty monosyllables of God.
Not the mention the conspicuous places these misapplied scriptural one-offs are always turning up.
One thing I hope that we can both agree on is that there are a large number of battles with war dead detailed in the scripture other than the one you mention of King Josiah being killed in?
Out of all those other multiple descriptions of wars & battles, can you name just one other instance of the word "PIERCED" being used to describe multiple war dead ?
And when you fail to be able to do that could you please tell me why it is never used anywhere else in scripture. where multiple war dead are being spoken of ?
You have things so confused. Just listen to this when you get some time.
I spent decades in Methodist and then Catholic Church.
You think that is how you get wisdom and understanding from God about His written words? Both those denominations teach against what the Bible says.
We don't get knowledge and understanding by joining a denomination. We get knowledge and understanding from God by obeying Jesus' commands.
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