Christian apologists twist Old Testament scriptures to point them to Jesus (Baptist, protestant)
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So if all the mourning was done for Jewish war dead, who had been "pierced", coincidently just as was the Roman custom for determining if crucified people had expired, like Jesus Christ, and all the wounding "between the hands " LOL, had been deservedly done to a deceitful false prophet as it rightfully should have been done:
Zec 12:10¶
.. and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn."
Zec 13:6
And one shall say unto him, What are these wounds in thine hands? Then he shall answer, Those with which I was wounded in the house of my friends.
WHY would this legitimate and upright behavior cause the very next action taken by the Lord of Hosts to be the slaughter of over half of these righteous Jewish people, who are in mourning no less ?
Zec 13:8
"And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the LORD, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein."
The consequence of twisting & papering over the inspired Word of God by the burdened, withered & weak soul is that it manifestly loses all it's Divine light ,
supernatural continuity, and beneficent splendor.
Crafting a sad story into an even sadder one by desperately trying to self-manufacture comfort and rest for the staggard soul through the twisting & manipulation of God's Word.
All the while ignoring & failing to realize the very real & Divine gracious pleading of upward ascent that has been beckoning them since the beginning, and still does today.
Friend come up Higher !
and using improper translations which lead to incorrect conclusions is a weak way to construct a theology.
and using improper translations which lead to incorrect conclusions is a weak way to construct a theology.
It can clearly be seen that Matthew ripped off whole-cloth lines from Psalm 22 to incorporate into his Jesus story:
* My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?
* they hurl insults, shaking their heads. “He trusts in the LORD,” they say, “let the LORD rescue him. Let him deliver him, since he delights in him.”
* Dogs surround me, a pack of villains encircles me; they pierce my hands and my feet.
* They divide my clothes among them and cast lots for my garment.
These were plagiarized by Matthew and written into his gospel to make it appear Jesus fulfilled these when in reality they had nothing to do with Jesus. "Pierced my hands and feet" has nothing to do with crucifixion. It's the wild animals' teeth that pierce his hands and feet when they bite him. It says so right there. Matthew just conveniently left that part off because it didn't fit his propaganda ploy.
Another sad example of Christian propaganda designed to con dumb gullible pagans into joining Christianity.
It can clearly be seen that Matthew ripped off whole-cloth lines from Psalm 22 to incorporate into his Jesus story:
* My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?
* they hurl insults, shaking their heads. “He trusts in the LORD,” they say, “let the LORD rescue him. Let him deliver him, since he delights in him.”
* Dogs surround me, a pack of villains encircles me; they pierce my hands and my feet.
* They divide my clothes among them and cast lots for my garment.
These were plagiarized by Matthew and written into his gospel to make it appear Jesus fulfilled these when in reality they had nothing to do with Jesus. "Pierced my hands and feet" has nothing to do with crucifixion. It's the wild animals' teeth that pierce his hands and feet when they bite him. It says so right there. Matthew just conveniently left that part off because it didn't fit his propaganda ploy.
Another sad example of Christian propaganda designed to con dumb gullible pagans.
In Psalm 22, there is no mention of piercing. I'm not sure why translators use "forsaken" for "azavtani." ayin-z-b/v means "leave". Gen 2:24 uses the same root but the translators don't use "forsake". Strange.
In Psalm 22, there is no mention of piercing. I'm not sure why translators use "forsaken" for "azavtani." ayin-z-b/v means "leave". Gen 2:24 uses the same root but the translators don't use "forsake". Strange.
It's not strange when you consider that the Christians wanted their avatar man god Jesus crucified. They wanted the story to read "His hands were pierced with Roman nails". The Psalm line originally was "They dug" my hands and feet כָּאֲרווּ ka’aru. However, the Christian storytellers liked the word, "pierced" better because it sounded more dramatic and conveyed better the idea of a nail piercing flesh rather than digging it. It's all about the drama, folks, not the truth.
and using improper translations which lead to incorrect conclusions is a weak way to construct a theology.
The issue is compounded by the interpretative flexibility of Hebrew (the language of God, IMO), rosends. The easiest interpretations are carnal or worldly, but the deeper interpretations are spiritual and should be the source of theology. Invariably, the carnal interpretations get translated, IMO.
It's not strange when you consider that the Christians wanted their avatar man god Jesus crucified. They wanted the story to read "His hands were pierced with Roman nails". The Psalm line originally was "They dug" my hands and feet כָּאֲרווּ ka’aru. However, the Christian storytellers liked the word, "pierced" better because it sounded more dramatic and conveyed better the idea of a nail piercing flesh rather than digging it. It's all about the drama, folks, not the truth.
“The scepter will not depart from Judah,
nor the ruler’s staff from between his feet,
until he to whom it belongs shall come
and the obedience of the nations shall be his” (Genesis 49:10).
Does anyone see even a hint of Jesus' name in there, or anything about a future event. This could be about anyone. It's just vague flowery poetry about nobody in particular, certainly not about the Messiah.
It could only be talking about a ruler who comes from the line of Judah and holds all nations subservient to His rule.
There is only one person this could possibly apply to.
You say it's "vague", but who else could it be about?
You sound like an expert on Hebrew. I'll defer to you. All I know is that "pierced" is not the original word and that churchmen would use any devious devices they had to like changing words to better sell their avatar man god Jesus to dumb as fence-post pagans. This is a perfect example.
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