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Old 05-10-2023, 07:23 AM
 
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So do non-believers.

Again, hence this thread.
Except Thrill has explained why he believes God does not care. He may be wrong, but has reasons. It is the theists who make claims about God, but can not explain how they can know. Is God really immaterial? How do they know? God is objectively good. Again, how can they know this?
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Old 05-12-2023, 06:39 PM
 
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Except Thrill has explained why he believes God does not care. He may be wrong, but has reasons. It is the theists who make claims about God, but can not explain how they can know. Is God really immaterial? How do they know? God is objectively good. Again, how can they know this?


Except that's NOT what Thrill's doing. He's not explaining why HE doesn't think GOD cares; He's trying to explain that God doesn't care about ANYONE, and that if ANYONE believes He does, is either delusional and/or, lying...

...all because HE hasn't experienced what others have.

Not cool. Not cool at all...
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Old 05-12-2023, 07:07 PM
 
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Except that's NOT what Thrill's doing. He's not explaining why HE doesn't think GOD cares; He's trying to explain that God doesn't care about ANYONE, and that if ANYONE believes He does, is either delusional and/or, lying...

...all because HE hasn't experienced what others have.

Not cool. Not cool at all...
because he hasn't experienced what others think they've experienced
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Old 05-12-2023, 11:25 PM
 
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Except that's NOT what Thrill's doing. He's not explaining why HE doesn't think GOD cares; He's trying to explain that God doesn't care about ANYONE, and that if ANYONE believes He does, is either delusional and/or, lying...

...all because HE hasn't experienced what others have.

Not cool. Not cool at all...
Except we have evidence about false experiences. We have no evidence immaterial intelligent beings existing is even possible.

That is the difference. Theists have to assert some things to escape problem with their arguments, because when we use some theists arguments on their god hypothesis, their god hypothesis also has the same problem.
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Old 05-13-2023, 12:36 AM
 
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because he hasn't experienced what others think they've experienced
...or what they know they've experienced.
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Old 05-13-2023, 12:43 AM
 
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...or what they know they've experienced.
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Old 05-13-2023, 01:05 AM
 
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Except we have evidence about false experiences.
So? That doesn't mean that EVERYONE who reports having an experience is reporting a false experience.

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We have no evidence immaterial intelligent beings existing is even possible.
How would one 'measure' the existence of an immaterial intelligent being in the first place?

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That is the difference. Theists have to assert some things to escape problem with their arguments, because when we use some theists arguments on their god hypothesis, their god hypothesis also has the same problem.
Atheists have the same problem, Harry.
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Old 05-13-2023, 01:07 AM
 
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...or what they know they've experienced.
I stand by my post
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Old 05-13-2023, 08:43 AM
 
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So? That doesn't mean that EVERYONE who reports having an experience is reporting a false experience.
True, but that is the first part of the argument.

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How would one 'measure' the existence of an immaterial intelligent being in the first place?
Irrelevant, my post was about what we have evidence for.


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Atheists have the same problem, Harry.
List one.
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Old 05-13-2023, 09:52 AM
 
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True, but that is the first part of the argument.
Yes...and?

If it stands to reason that some people lie about their experiences, it also stands to reason that some others don't. But it doesn't necessarily mean that those who don't must succumb to some 'measurable scientific' explanation about the experience. The attempts to define the experience are often speculation rather than fact...or rather, truth.

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Irrelevant, my post was about what we have evidence for.
But in *your* case it isn't about 'having evidence'. It's about lack of 'evidence' for you that causes you to draw your conclusion(s).

Some 'neanderthal' might have looked at the moon oh...about 100,000 years ago and thought, "Man oh man, it would be so cool to go there some day!" There was no 'evidence' back then to even suggest it was a possibility of going there. His neanderthal friend might have thought he was crazy for thinking such a 'foolish' thought...even denying it would ever happen.

It's one thing to be skeptical about something. It's another matter to flat out deny, without having ALL of the facts.

And we certainly don't have ALL of the facts about God.

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List one.
YOU brought it up. YOU first...
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