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Old 06-02-2009, 01:44 PM
 
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The Webster's New World Dictionary's definition of Murder; 1. the (unlawful) and malicious or premeditated killing of a person. 2. Something very hard, unsafe, etc. to do or deal with -vt. 1. To kill (a person) unlawfully and with malice 2. To spoil, as in performance /to murder a song /.

The doctor wasn't doing anything unlawfully, if you didn't like what he was doing, work to change the law.

 
Old 06-02-2009, 01:48 PM
 
Location: Tulsa
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but you think all abortions are murder..

how can one murder be worse than another murder?
I said, "I guess....that's what makes him worse than average." I agree, murder is murder.

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The Webster's New World Dictionary's definition of Murder; 1. the (unlawful) and malicious or premeditated killing of a person. 2. Something very hard, unsafe, etc. to do or deal with -vt. 1. To kill (a person) unlawfully and with malice 2. To spoil, as in performance /to murder a song /.

The doctor wasn't doing anything unlawfully, if you didn't like what he was doing, work to change the law.
I agree he didn't do anything wrong according to man's law. He did according to God's.
 
Old 06-02-2009, 01:52 PM
 
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I said, "I guess....that's what makes him worse than average." I agree, murder is murder.


I agree he didn't do anything wrong according to man's law. He did according to God's.
Then you let your God be the judge of that, not everybody lives by your God's law and our judicial system is not based on your God's law.
 
Old 06-02-2009, 01:54 PM
 
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Then you let your God be the judge of that, not everybody lives by your God's law and our judicial system is not based on your God's law.
I totally understand that. He will be the judge. I have every right to state my opinion on the matter though. That's what we do here, right?
 
Old 06-02-2009, 01:57 PM
 
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I totally understand that. He will be the judge. I have every right to state my opinion on the matter though. That's what we do here, right?
Nobody is denying you that right, but does not your sacred book say, Judge not least ye be judged yourself.
 
Old 06-02-2009, 02:38 PM
 
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Nobody is denying you that right, but does not your sacred book say, Judge not least ye be judged yourself.
That is always taken out of context. If you go on to read the passage, it is saying not to judge someone unless you're willing to be judged yourself. I've never had an abortion, therefore I can judge. Other places in the whole Bible say we are to judge, but righteously.
 
Old 06-02-2009, 02:43 PM
 
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That is always taken out of context. If you go on to read the passage, it is saying not to judge someone unless you're willing to be judged yourself. I've never had an abortion, therefore I can judge. Other places in the whole Bible say we are to judge, but righteously.
It doesn't say "judge not lest you be judged on specifically what you are judging the other person on"..

its says judge not lest you be judged..

so your "whole" shall be judged..

care to spill everything so others can commence the judgement? leave nothing out..

I of course will stay out of it as I wish not to judge...

now of course if you've reached a righteous state..

judge away!
 
Old 06-02-2009, 03:03 PM
 
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"Tiller was one of few American doctors who specialized in late-term abortions"

Guess that's what makes him worse than average.
You misunderstood my point. Since his work is going to be picked up by someone else anyway, the only reason why one could be happy of his death is if this particular doctor was worse than other (similarly qualified) doctors for some reason. For example if he was an incompetent who ended up killing the mothers more often than not. But I'm not aware that he was.
 
Old 06-02-2009, 04:15 PM
 
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It doesn't say "judge not lest you be judged on specifically what you are judging the other person on"..

its says judge not lest you be judged..

so your "whole" shall be judged..

care to spill everything so others can commence the judgement? leave nothing out..

I of course will stay out of it as I wish not to judge...

now of course if you've reached a righteous state..

judge away!
This is a problem with some Christians. They don't read other areas that talk about judging a righteous judgment. No one is perfect, so if you had to be in order to judge, why would we be told to judge righteously?

ETA: We're getting off topic talking about judging though. I had started a thread about it a few days ago, if you'd like to continue there.
 
Old 06-02-2009, 04:16 PM
 
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You misunderstood my point. Since his work is going to be picked up by someone else anyway, the only reason why one could be happy of his death is if this particular doctor was worse than other (similarly qualified) doctors for some reason. For example if he was an incompetent who ended up killing the mothers more often than not. But I'm not aware that he was.
I don't think I missed your point, I just think you and I see "worse" as being different things. Maybe his late term abortions won't be picked up by someone else, as only a few in the US does them now anyway. One can only hope.
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